# How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614 "2023-12-14T20:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![epbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47774/32.png) [@epbrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/661 "2024-02-18T15:08:10Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Parallels between the past and present expectations on educators behaviors are not the same. Fundamentally they are: the restrictions on behavior are geared to preventing the parent from talking to their offspring about uncomfortable subjects. The subjects change over time, but that outraged sense that teachers are confounding the parent’s indoctrination doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/662 "2024-02-18T15:20:10Z")
In my family the people who claim that they are now perfectly fine with: Divorce Decriminalizing adultery Interracial (and interfaith) marriage Decriminalizing homosexuality Legalizing abortion Criminalizing marital/relationship rape Gays in the military Marriage equality After opposing each of these tooth and nail over the last 50 years are in the forefront of anti-trans “activism” today. And of course most of them have now flipped on abortion being legal as well. And are saying racist shit now that they have kept under wraps for 30 years. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/663 "2024-02-18T15:25:32Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > The teacher did not get fired. She resigned. > > There is a large difference. Usually there is not any difference short of being bribed to resign in lieu of firing. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Maybe cause, “oh gee I don’t need this crap. I’m making much more on Onlyfans, who needs sniveling kids and irate parents” > > Or > “But…but…I love my teaching career so much, I posted porn to pay off my loans and to go back for a higher degree”🤔 > > Not buying it. And I’m not buying what you’re selling this entire thread. Since we get to assume whatever about her, based on my experiences as a teacher, there was probably a deal cut where they paid off her contract immediately (as they would be required to do) if she left now. Why didn’t she stay and fight? She was told the district would non-renew her anyways so effectively leave now get paid now or get paid as usual and bye-bye at the end of the school year. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > She did a side hustle for money, amusement, shits and giggles. Whatever. > At the detriment of her career. > She hid her face to not get caught. > Sorry, can’t have your cake and eat it too. > > Bottom line. Bottom line is you don’t know her reality even though you present what you call an argument as if you did. And I notice you conveniently did not see this question I posted to you. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > And if you found out one of their teachers did OF porn, assuming they don’t talk about doing a Dirty Sanchez in class, how exactly does that affect their learning? Care to answer? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/664 "2024-02-18T15:33:11Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Why do people keep saying this. This is not about color or gender or sexual preferences or religion or marital status. > This is not a protected class. > This teacher _chose_ to do this. > I have my opinions on why. They mean nothing. > Her reasons are her own. I assume at some point in your life you chose to have an alcoholic drink in public. Your _choice_. How would you feel if your prohibitionist boss forced you to resign over it because you chose to violate his moral code? > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Children should not be around it any of it in any way. Especially from a trusted person, like a teacher. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Children should not be around it any of it in any way. Especially from a trusted person, like a teacher. Wait? Are you saying she was fired for showing students porn? OK I agree, teachers should not show kids porn. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/665 "2024-02-18T15:41:56Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > A teacher posting themselves shooting at the range, round after round would give me pause. > [@Babale](#): > > \*incidentally “I think it’s icky and I don’t want to normalize it for children” is a pretty on point summary of my feelings about gun toting teachers. And what if that teacher brought a gun into the classroom? Not only would they not be fired, it would be part of a [district-proposed program](https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/district-20-is-considering-having-staff-and-teachers-volunteer-to-go-through-training-to-become-armed). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/666 "2024-02-18T16:18:03Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Not only would they not be fired, it would be part of a [district-proposed program](https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/district-20-is-considering-having-staff-and-teachers-volunteer-to-go-through-training-to-become-armed). That is about 100 times scarier to me than whether the teacher fucks on camera. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/667 "2024-02-18T16:34:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > That is about 100 times scarier to me than whether the teacher fucks on camera. What scares me as a teacher is even if I don’t carry (and I wouldn’t in the classroom) I’m still a target for any jackhole shooter because they don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/668 "2024-02-18T16:53:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > It’s what one chooses when the fight is ongoing that shows who a person really is–and what they likely would have chosen when those past battles were ongoing. Sounds awesome … until one takes a moment to try to figure out what it actually means. At face value it appears to say that when a teacher is fired or otherwise disciplined for violating expected standards of behaviour, one must automatically side with the teacher and against the school administrators, or else be judged to have deficient moral character. The teachers’ union might think so, but to the rest of us – parents in particular – this is vapid moralistic pablum. Look, I’m old enough to have experienced some major social transformations in my time. And while it would be disingenuous to claim that I wasn’t influenced by the social norms of the day, I can confidently say that I have **never** advocated for teachers being fired for being divorced, for being gay, or for any of the other straw man analogies being dredged up here. Maybe a hundred years ago I might have, but I don’t see how that matters; it was a different world then. Today we’re enlightened enough not to pass arbitrary moral judgments, and generally limit ourselves to enforcing standards of behaviour on our children’s caregivers that include not willfully engaging in socially disreputable activities that they know would result in dismissal, and then trying to keep it secret. Even I – not a teacher and not involved with children – had a clause in my employment contract that prohibited engaging in any activities at any time – on the job or not – that could bring disrepute on my employer. So let me offer an alternative bit of moral guidance: one shouldn’t be afraid to support a rationally justified position just because that position is coincidentally shared by ignorant troglodytes for stupid ideological or religious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/669 "2024-02-18T16:56:06Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > At face value it appears to say that when a teacher is fired or otherwise disciplined for violating expected standards of behaviour, one must automatically side with the teacher and against the school administrators Complete nonsense. It means that you should not _automatically_ do anything, but that you should always examine the moral basis for your actions. And a glance at history should tell you that “this makes a lot of pious parents horrified, won’t you do something _for the sake of the children_” is not a reliable guide to moral action. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/670 "2024-02-18T17:01:56Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The teachers’ union might think so, but to the rest of us – parents in particular – this is vapid moralistic pablum. Have you ever been in a teachers’ union? Worked with them? Because what you said is absolutely wrong. Our job is to ensure that admin and districts follow the contract and the law. We also act as advocates for students as we are working with them all day whereas admin and district personnel do not. Why would you have a problem with that? This is what I’m talking about in this thread. “I am not a teacher but I am an expert in what goes on in the classroom and schools.” > [@wolfpup](#): > > Today we’re enlightened enough not to pass arbitrary moral judgments, and generally limit ourselves to enforcing standards of behaviour on our children’s caregivers that include not willfully engaging in socially disreputable activities What gives YOU the right to demand under duress of firing that teachers need to live their private life according to parents’ arbitrary moral code or not? And I’ll ask you the same question that Beck apparently refuses to address: if your student saw their teacher in an OF video, how does that affect their education. Of note: according to Beck in this thread we can presume other peoples motivation without knowing them so I presume she refuses to answer because she can’t. Similar to her presuming the teacher’s motivation. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/671 "2024-02-18T17:05:57Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > according to Beck in this thread we can presume other peoples motivation so I presume she refuses to answer because she can’t We can certainly assume that Beck is hiding her true identity on the Board because she knows in her heart she is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/672 "2024-02-18T17:10:11Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Sounds awesome … until one takes a moment to try to figure out what it actually means. At face value it appears to say that when a teacher is fired or otherwise disciplined for violating expected standards of behaviour, one must automatically side with the teacher and against the school administrators That’s not remotely what it means at face value–what a ridiculous bit of nonsense! ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/673 "2024-02-18T17:14:33Z")
This thread really is becoming an anthology of transparently stupid arguments to justify slut-shaming. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/674 "2024-02-18T17:16:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The difference you’re looking for is the Victor’s Virtue: it’s the difference between a fight for fair treatment that’s already been won, and a fight that’s ongoing. […] It’s what one chooses when the fight is ongoing that shows who a person really is […] Great point! I’d not heard it expressed that way before. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/675 "2024-02-18T17:18:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I have **never** advocated for teachers being fired for being divorced, for being gay, or for any of the other straw man analogies being dredged up here. With due respect, these are not straw man analogies. Being divorced is actually a pretty good analogy: a perfectly legal behaviour deemed to be too immoral for one in the teaching profession, with its higher moral standards and lower pay. I’m glad you, personally, are better than that. Moral panics are found wherever people have children, and what I don’t want is people making staffing decisions based on morality at all. Ethics, sure. Unethical behaviour is a great reason for dismissing a teacher. Even if there were a professional code of conduct that stated “no production of pornography” that she had signed onto before becoming a teacher, or “no second jobs,” that’s fine with me. Imagine if she made a little extra money by investing in fossil fuels or tobacco companies. In my opinion, that’s a morally bankrupt way to earn money. It’s also really common and perfectly legal. I think you, and most other people, would find an argument that teachers should not do this ridiculous, even though I genuinely do believe this is immoral behaviour. I’m not trying to be silly, just imagining where the lines are. Talking about the wonders of tobacco to schoolkids is right out, of course, but what about smoking where children can see the teacher? That’s pretty common, and I think children are FAR more likely to become smokers than sex workers. I just don’t think an educator needs to be a guardian of morality, especially given how well that worked out for Victorian women. Just be professional at work: that’s enough. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/676 "2024-02-18T17:18:43Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > if your student saw their teacher in an OF video, how does that affect their education. I should preface my answer by mentioning that you earlier rejected the idea that K-12 teachers are role models, which in itself is a problematic position, and I showed you our local school board policy statement explicitly stating that the board regards it as a key part of their job. That’s an important part of why this activity is harmful – by which I mean not just the gratuitous pornographic sex, but the decision to willfully and **covertly** violate known ethical standards. What does that teach the kids, and what does that do to the teacher’s effectiveness as a role model? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s not remotely what it means at face value–what a ridiculous bit of nonsense! In the context in which you made that statement, it’s pretty clear that it means that the teacher(s) in question are perfectly fit to be caregivers and role models to our children, and anyone who feels that their dismissal was justified is an ignorant troglodyte on the wrong side of history. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/677 "2024-02-18T17:20:03Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In the context in which you made that statement, it’s pretty clear that It’s just spiffy keen that you want to paraphrase me. When you get it right, I’ll bother with a more complete response. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/678 "2024-02-18T17:26:59Z")
In that case I have to wonder why you brought that bit of moralistic philosophizing into this thread, _a thread about teachers being fired for posting homemade porn_ in which you’ve expended great effort to defend them. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/679 "2024-02-18T17:28:55Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In that case I have to wonder I suppose you will. I don’t think that an effort to explain the matter further to you would prove a productive use of my time. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/680 "2024-02-18T17:30:52Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In the context in which you made that statement, it’s pretty clear that it means that the teacher(s) in question are perfectly fit to be caregivers and role models to our children, and anyone who feels that their dismissal was justified is an ignorant troglodyte on the wrong side of history. Even if _that_ version were what LHoD had said, that is an examination of the situation on its merits, it does not remotely correspond to your first version of what you claimed he said: > [@wolfpup](#): > > At face value it appears to say that when a teacher is fired or otherwise disciplined for violating expected standards of behaviour, one must automatically side with the teacher and against the school administrators So which misrepresentation are you going with? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=35)