# How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614 "2023-12-14T20:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/721 "2024-02-19T17:01:17Z")
I had a favourite English teacher fired after sleeping with a student; she transferred to another school. At least, that was the rumour. Nobody thought to quell it by giving us actual information. It was interesting, but I didn’t care. His absence affected me more than his continued presence would have (though if the rumours were true, adult me thinks he should have gone to prison. Junior High me didn’t really know where to start thinking about it). ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/722 "2024-02-19T17:07:05Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Two very effective teachers in my high school were sleeping with their students. At least, they were according to the “salacious gossip.” Nonetheless, we were able to complete our assignments and eventually graduate. But this proves the point that as an impressionable student it obviously corrupted your morals, since you are now aligned with ungodly folk who hold that we should no longer mark harlots with a scarlet letter and marginalize them for the sake of our precious children. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/723 "2024-02-19T17:25:15Z")
Moderating: > [@chela](#): > > Sorry if that yucks your yum. Please comment on the content, not on the commentators. Seriously, don’t be a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/724 "2024-02-19T17:28:50Z")
> [@chela](#): > > It will always come up as long as the side gig is in play and the salacious gossip may continue long after the current student body graduates. Remind me, is the antecedent to “it” “teachers who engage in sex work” or “teachers who are in a same sex relationship”? Because what you said works equally well either way. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/725 "2024-02-19T17:30:01Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > I am not surprised at all that someone would do this, and want their face covered. People have lived double lives forever. All true. But that still doesn’t mean she was _ashamed_. Or deserved to be. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/726 "2024-02-19T18:37:51Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > All true. But that still doesn’t mean she was _ashamed_. Or deserved to be. Again, you are categorizing shame as purely an external, something put on people by others. I’ll tell a common tale. Boyfriend repeatedly begs girlfriend to make a racy video for him. She finally does it, maybe even enjoys it in the couple sense. They break up and he releases the video as porn for others to see. She hopes people don’t find out and they do. Most everyone she knows hates the man and nobody blames her. A few of her scuzzier acquaintances check it out and have a smirk on their faces every time she sees them. Does she feel shame? Almost certainly. No one that deserves any respect is shaming her. This was something intended to be private that a scuzzy person she trusted made public. This is not her fault. Yet, she has her sex life exposed in public. This is not a good experience for her. It is not how she wants to be seen. She is being seen in a naked way that she doesn’t intend. I do believe that now and in the future people will still want sex to be private. People may feel shame upon exposure, regardless of why that happens. I do not share the idea that our utopian goal is some sort of bacchanal libertopia. But I’m not surprised to see people argue for that, on the Internet. Real life is another matter. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/727 "2024-02-19T19:01:34Z")
In your tale, the video is made public against the woman’s wishes. In the examples we’re discussing, the women posted the videos themselves. Completely different scenarios. I maintain that no one would voluntarily post video of anything they were doing about which they were internally shameful. And that is absolutely my last comment on shame. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/728 "2024-02-19T20:15:32Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Two very effective teachers in my high school were sleeping with their students. At least, they were according to the “salacious gossip.” Nonetheless, we were able to complete our assignments and eventually graduate. Depending upon the age of the students it could be statutory rape, which is definitely illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/729 "2024-02-19T20:20:23Z")
Several years ago, at the private school my son went to (middle school) two of the teachers were having an affair (both were married). The administration learned of the affair and asked them to end it as there were rumors throughout the school. Several months later, the two different couples happened to be dining at the same restaurant. Somehow the two teachers ended up in a stall in one of the bathrooms and started having sex. A high school student working at the restaurant filmed a 15 second video of the couple over the stall wall and promptly sent the video throughout the student body. Both teachers were fired the following Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/730 "2024-02-19T20:21:20Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Depending upon the age of the students it could be statutory rape, which is definitely illegal. I certainly could have been. The students, one male and one female, were probably 17 years old. I’m not sure what the Maryland laws were like in the late 70s. In both cases it was definitely something we knew was wrong. Despite them being “role models,” and despite actually liking both teachers, I didn’t grow up thinking it was okay for teachers to have sex with their students. If one of these teachers was doing the 1978 equivalent of Only Fans, I’m sure we could have continued learning stuff. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/731 "2024-02-19T23:19:32Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > A high school student working at the restaurant filmed a 15 second video of the couple over the stall wall and promptly sent the video throughout the student body. Did anything happen to the peeping tom? That’s illegal where i live. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/732 "2024-02-19T23:28:36Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Did anything happen to the peeping tom? That’s illegal where i live. I’m sure the sex in the bathroom was illegal too, so they could just say they were documenting an illegal act. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/733 "2024-02-22T22:06:20Z")
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**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/734 "2024-02-24T17:21:50Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > To the extent that gay teachers, teachers co-habiting outside marriage, and other such things were once considered unacceptable was just because they were at the time generally unacceptable in society. School boards, probably more than almost any other institution, strive to reflect contemporary social mores. It’s not the school board’s job to blaze edgy new trails into what those social mores **should** be. But when values changed, and LGBTQ individuals became accepted and mainstream, the boards were quick to change, too. Indeed, reading through the code of conduct I quoted from earlier, there is a very strong emphasis throughout on avoiding discrimination of any kind. I’m late to this thread and haven’t read the whole thing yet, so apologies if this has already been said, but the problem with this statement is that a few people are making moral judgements that don’t reflect the majority opinion. Especially in a time when ultra-conservatives are working to take over school boards. OnlyFans reports around 200 million registered users, so obviously a lot of people don’t have a problem with it. If people do use OnlyFans but think teachers who make a little money from it should be fired and never be able to teach again, I would say they are hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/735 "2024-02-24T17:29:38Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > the problem with this statement is that a few people are making moral judgements that don’t reflect the majority opinion Maybe, but 1. How do you know what the majority opinion is? 2. The majority of what/whom? (For the record, I’m not sure how relevant “the majority opinion” is here, but since we’re discussing it…) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/736 "2024-02-24T22:35:37Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If OF got hacked, and it turned out that a male school staff member were subscribed, should they be fired? What if it just turned out that a male teacher went to a strip club, or looked at naughty pictures on his home computer–are those all firing offenses? Like a Paul Reubens scenario, or the present case, where there’s all this publicity and all the kids find out? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/737 "2024-02-24T22:44:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > There’s a book I used to read to my students–_Holes_–in which (spoiler alert) a White woman is fired from her teaching job for kissing a Black man. We definitely read that book… but I don’t remember that scene at all. I can barely remember something about a juvie camp, a snakebite, and an escape into the desert. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/738 "2024-02-24T22:45:26Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > If people do use OnlyFans but think teachers who make a little money from it should be fired and never be able to teach again, I would say they are hypocrites. Nitpick: I don’t see how that’s necessarily hypocritical. It’s possible to have a consistent moral system that includes the position “sex work is okay, but sex workers shouldn’t be employed as teachers” for some subjective reason or other. E.g., the person in question might think those teachers aren’t doing due diligence to keep their adult sexual activities hidden from children, or that teaching requires an exceptionally high standard of decorum in one’s personal life, or whatever. Such a reason might not be very persuasive, but it’s not necessarily hypocritical. Being an OnlyFans user while claiming you don’t think sex work is okay for anybody, on the other hand, obviously would be hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/739 "2024-02-24T22:46:56Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > We definitely read that book… but I don’t remember that scene at all. It was a pretty big plot point. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/740 "2024-02-24T22:50:46Z")
I’m sure it was there, I just don’t remember it or any discussion of it. In fact I don’t remember any discussions of ethics in _any_ books we read for school, until 7th grade. I guess the purpose of my anecdote is to put a perspective on **LHoD** ’s. Maybe I understood something important in 3rd grade, but I’ve forgotten it now. ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=38)