# How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614 "2023-12-14T20:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/823 "2024-03-05T16:32:03Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > The debate continues on the harmful effects of porn on kids I am willing to concede access to porn has harmful effects on kids. > [@Tibby](#): > > Alternatively, they could be offered a non-teaching position in the school that does not involve direct contact with students, such as an administrator or a counselor. I’m pretty sure counselors have direct contact with students. > [@Tibby](#): > > Moreover, there is a risk that children who discover that their teacher is involved in porn may be more likely to access porn themselves, either out of curiosity or peer pressure. I’m not sure about this. I assume most older students already know how to access porn. Younger students probably less so. > [@Tibby](#): > > I don’t think being involved in a scandal affects a teacher’s ability to teach (they may still be excellent teachers), but the crucial question is whether it affects the students’ ability to learn. If we have “excellent teachers,” then it seems like this could be a good opportunity to teach students to do their damn job despite “distractions.” Life is full of distractions. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/824 "2024-03-05T16:45:55Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > Students’ ability to learn is the primary factor in whether or not a teacher should be fired from a teaching position. But, the effect on children of being exposed to porn at an early age should also be considered. You make a giant leap here. Teachers performing porn does not expose children to that porn. > [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Tibby](#): > > > > Moreover, there is a risk that children who discover that their teacher is involved in porn may be more likely to access porn themselves, either out of curiosity or peer pressure. > > I’m not sure about this. I assume most older students already know how to access porn. Younger students probably less so. I agree that this is pure speculation. It seems far-fetched to me that little Johnny will never have been curious enough about porn to seek it out until he heard that his teacher had done porn. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/825 "2024-03-05T16:49:14Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If we have “excellent teachers,” then it seems like this could be a good opportunity to teach students to do their damn job despite “distractions.” Life is full of distractions. Sure, it can be argued that children should be mature enough to not let a teacher’s scandal effect their learning, but kids, by definition, aren’t mature. Kids will be kids. And, FWIW, I don’t believe teachers of mature students (i.e. 17+ yo college students) should be relieved of their teaching jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/826 "2024-03-05T16:51:13Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > And, FWIW, I don’t believe teachers of mature students (i.e. 17+ yo college students) should be relieved of their teaching jobs. How about K-2? those kids are unlikely to be distracted. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/827 "2024-03-05T16:55:33Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > How about K-2? those kids are unlikely to be distracted. Then those teachers should not be fired either. If the teachers’ out-of-classroom activities don’t affect the students’ ability to learn, then there is no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/828 "2024-03-05T16:55:47Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Teachers performing porn does not expose children to that porn. Indeed. Every time I reference my own children in the course of conversations with students, I’m referencing my sex life more directly than the teacher in the OP referenced hers: after all, I’m talking about my biological children, with all that implies. But that hardly counts as exposing my students to my sex life, does it? > [@Tibby](#): > > In my opinion, the main issue is this: if a teacher’s behavior outside the classroom negatively impacts the students’ learning from that teacher, they should not be allowed to teach in that school. Again, I ask: how far do you take this? If there’s a right-wing community in which students are told that homosexuality is a sin, and a gay teacher marries his male partner, should the level of student distraction be cause to fire that teacher? In a racist community, would you support firing a White teacher for marrying her Black partner, if the students claim it’s distracting them from learning? If a teacher speak at a rally about the importance of supporting Israel, can antisemitic students band together to have that teacher fired, saying they can’t learn from that teacher any more? I obviously think this is a dangerous principle. A much better principle is that we should teach children that teachers’ lives outside of work are none of their business, and that the sort of vicious gossip and mockery that you’re describing has no place in our schools. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/829 "2024-03-05T17:05:25Z")
No member of a protected class should be fired for being a protected class. If a child’s ability to learn is adversely affected by a member of a protected class because they are a protected class, then their parents failed to raise them properly and they should be given counseling to enlighten them. Porn actor isn’t a protected class, nor should it be. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/830 "2024-03-05T17:08:58Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > No member of a protected class should be fired for being a protected class. I do want to understand the principle you’re describing. Is this a fair restatement? > [not a quote] If a teacher’s behavior outside the classroom negatively impacts the students’ learning from that teacher, they should not be allowed to teach in that school, UNLESS THAT BEHAVIOR IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE TEACHER’S MEMBERSHIP IN A PROTECTED CLASS. Other than protected class membership, you’re okay with such firings? If, for example, a teacher lives in a place where gender identity is not recognized as a protected class, would you support firing a trans teacher for presenting as the gender they identify as? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/831 "2024-03-05T17:11:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Other than protected class membership, you’re okay with such firings? If, for example, a teacher lives in a place where gender identity is not recognized as a protected class, would you support firing a trans teacher for presenting as the gender they identify as? If a parent drives through town and sees a teacher at a Black Lives Matter rally, they take a picture and share it with the other parents, and this being a super conservative area, this leads to arguments over wokeness all over NextDoor and disruption in classrooms. Should the teacher be fired? ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/832 "2024-03-05T17:16:19Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Other than protected class membership, you’re okay with such firings? If, for example, a teacher lives in a place where gender identity is not recognized as a protected class, would you support firing a trans teacher for presenting as the gender they identify as? Absolutely not. If a child lives in a place where gender identity isn’t recognized as a protected class, then that is a place that is backwardly biased. Again, the teacher should not be fired, but the affected student(s) should be enlightened. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/833 "2024-03-05T17:17:43Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > Absolutely not. If a child lives in a place where gender identity isn’t recognized as a protected class, then that is a place that is backwardly biased. Okay, then I’m confused. I think that the shame around sex work is backwardly biased, and that the teacher in question should not be fired, but the student(s) and their families should be enlightened. How are you distinguishing between the two scenarios? ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/834 "2024-03-05T17:46:10Z")
Specifically because children shouldn’t be exposed to pornography at an early age, or learn that their teacher is engaged in porn, because that can have deleterious effects on the child, and his ability to learn. I agree that shame around sex work is backwardly biased—for adults. But, children are distracted by anything to do with sex, and having a teacher with online porn could be especially distracting. Having a protected class (or non-sexual activity) teacher would not, and should not be a distraction for kids, or at least not to the same degree. If it is, then that’s a problem that needs to be corrected. But sex distracts kids. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/835 "2024-03-05T17:54:48Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > children shouldn’t be exposed to pornography at an early age, or learn that their teacher is engaged in porn You keep equating these two ideas, which are vastly different. “Exposing kids to porn” would literally be showing them porn. “Learn(ing) that their teacher is engaged in porn” may be, if you squint, exposing them to the _concept_ of pornography, but again I find it far-fetched that kids 4th grade or older are unfamiliar with the concept, regardless of what their teachers do in their spare time. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/836 "2024-03-05T18:00:29Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > Having a protected class (or non-sexual activity) teacher would not, and should not be a distraction for kids, or at least not to the same degree. If it is, then that’s a problem that needs to be corrected. But sex distracts kids. If we can educate kids not to be distracted by gender identity, we can educate kids not to be distracted by a side-line in sex work. A really good first step for that would not be completely losing your shit over a teacher having an OnlyFans account. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/837 "2024-03-05T18:09:24Z")
Sure, we could try, but would we succeed? I’m pretty sure I could teach my kid to take her mind off gender identity bias issues. I don’t think I’d succeed in teaching her to take her mind off sex. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/838 "2024-03-05T18:16:16Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > I don’t think I’d succeed in teaching him/her to take his/her mind off sex. No, but you could teach them to pay attention to their studies. I had at least two teachers in high school that I recall being “distracting.” I got my work done, as I would have if I learned they had an online porn presence. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/839 "2024-03-05T18:16:40Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > I don’t think I’d succeed in teaching her to take her mind off sex. It’s a good thing that’s not the goal under discussion, then. We are talking about taking their mind off the teacher’s sidegig, not taking their mind off sex in general. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/840 "2024-03-05T18:23:10Z")
A side gig that is all about sex. Is there really much difference in trying to teach my daughter to take her mind off sex, and taking her mind off her teacher who is involved in sex? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/841 "2024-03-05T18:28:25Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > taking her mind off her teacher who is involved in sex? My wife is a teacher, and (happily for me) she is “involved in sex”. If my wife was teaching your daughter, and she mentioned me (and worse, _our children_ - hard physical evidence of the sex we had!) in her introduction to the class on day 1, how would you go about dealing with the irreparable harm caused to your daughter? Like I said earlier, is the only solution to only let catholic nuns and priests educate children? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/842 "2024-03-05T18:32:02Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Like I said earlier, is the only solution to only let catholic nuns and priests educate children? To be fair, Catholic nuns and priests don’t seem to have many OnlyFans pages so, I’m not sure how your plan could possibly go wrong! 😜 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=43)