# How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614 "2023-12-14T20:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/983 "2024-03-06T17:20:10Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > it’s a definition _Is_ it though? Of what? Not of “seduction”. Maybe it’s an _example_ of “sales pitch”? Again I am not on board with normalizing porn work to children. I would accept and love but not be proud of an adult child of mine working in the industry. I accept that a school board has little choice other than to be broadly consistent with overwhelmingly endorsed community expectations outside of protected classes. And I would hope that an argument is made within a community that teachers are _not_ role models, parents are, and that with few exceptions teacher behaviors outside of the school are not our concern. Are not bringing sex into the school. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/984 "2024-03-06T17:25:24Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The same way you’d deal with it if you walked into a strip club and saw that your sister in law was dancing there. You leave without getting a lap dance and then never mention it again. Except the sister in law is wearing a mask so you can’t tell it’s her. I’m guessing that it probably took longer to find out in this case. Since the teacher wasn’t showing her face. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/985 "2024-03-06T17:43:09Z")
Fun story NOT related to porn: In college I took a sculpture class. There were nude models. In the middle of a pose the model recognized me, said “hi! Stacy, from High School!” I stopped myself from saying that I just didn’t recognize her with her clothes off … I still have the small bronze of her on our shelf. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/986 "2024-03-06T17:44:46Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Except the sister in law is wearing a mask so you can’t tell it’s her. I’m guessing that it probably took longer to find out in this case. Since the teacher wasn’t showing her face So, if I follow you correctly, the scenario you are worried about is that a man unwittingly watches videos on an OnlyFans account without realizing it is his kid’s teacher; then he somehow finds this out; this leads to him being unable to respect the teacher. Do I have that right? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/987 "2024-03-06T18:32:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So, if I follow you correctly, the scenario you are worried about is that a man unwittingly watches videos on an OnlyFans account without realizing it is his kid’s teacher; then he somehow finds this out; this leads to him being unable to respect the teacher. > > Do I have that right? Since the teacher isn’t disclosing and made an effort to disguise yourself, it seems like that is actually what happened. And that’s one **at minimum**. Apparently her video is popular and made her a lot of money. Maybe he shared it with all of his local buddies. So now there are 10-20 parents who have whacked off to this “anonymous” video. Then someone figures it out. So, going forward, none of the parents should go to her OnlyFans account. That’s not going to wipe out the past. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/988 "2024-03-06T18:35:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Tibby](#): > > > > However, this shouldn’t mark the end of the debate. > > In fact, it absolutely should end the debate. We should deal with the facts of what actually happened, not hypotheticals about fifth graders hacking OnlyFans and stumbling on their teacher’s porn. If the title of this thread was **How do we feel about _this particular_ teacher being fired for posting homemade porn?** , you’d have a point. But the actual title is **How do we feel about _teachers_ fired for posting homemade porn?** , so you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/989 "2024-03-06T18:44:15Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Again I am not on board with normalizing porn work to children. I would accept and love but not be proud of an adult child of mine working in the industry. I agree with everything you say here. I just think the way to convey this to our children is to communicate with them honestly and thoughtfully about the topic, rather than to hide the very existence of the subject from them at all costs. That sounds like “abstinence only” education to me, and we all know that doesn’t work. (Not that you advocated for these positions @DSeid, but others in the thread essentially did). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/990 "2024-03-06T18:56:48Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Since the teacher isn’t disclosing and made an effort to disguise yourself, it seems like that is actually what happened. > > And that’s one **at minimum**. Apparently her video is popular and made her a lot of money. Maybe he shared it with all of his local buddies. So now there are 10-20 parents who have whacked off to this “anonymous” video. Then someone figures it out. So, going forward, none of the parents should go to her OnlyFans account. That’s not going to wipe out the past. So, I’d say if you jerk it to some OnlyFans account, and you find out it’s someone you know, and suddenly you cannot respect them because they make porn that you are a fan of - you are, once again, the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/991 "2024-03-06T19:20:38Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’d say if you jerk it to some OnlyFans account, and you find out it’s someone you know, and suddenly you cannot respect them because they make porn that you are a fan of - you are, once again, the problem. I don’t know how much people typically interact with their kids’ teachers. I had very little interaction after grade school (and I was a good parent). I also don’t know how mulch people bond with their onlyfan accounts (I haven’t sampled their product), but, assuming this did all come together somehow and I learned my onlyfan friend was my kid’s teacher, I doubt I’d care one whit. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/992 "2024-03-06T19:26:42Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t know how much people typically interact with their kids’ teachers. I had very little interaction after grade school (and I was a good parent). I also don’t know how mulch people bond with their onlyfan accounts (I haven’t sampled their product), but, assuming this did all come together somehow and I learned my onlyfan friend was my kid’s teacher, I doubt I’d care one whit. So say you saw the OnlyFans video. You liked it and got your partner to simulate something in the video. Then you figure out what you saw was done by the teacher. This is going to be absolutely humiliating, devastating for your partner. But yeah, it might not bother you that much, it’s just a little secret between you and the teacher. What, why are you upset, hon? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/993 "2024-03-06T19:29:08Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > There the actor is interacting with you. Not that I am a fan (snerk) but OnlyFans does encourage viewers to spend money to try to convince the actor/actress to perform specific actions. So yes, in the virtual world they are indeed interacting with you. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/994 "2024-03-06T19:33:35Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > So say you saw the OnlyFans video. You liked it and got your partner to simulate something in the video. Then you figure out what you saw was done by the teacher. > > This is going to be absolutely humiliating, devastating for your partner Says you. (although I’m not sure what I could possible have seen in the video that I wasn’t already familiar with. I don’t enjoy everything porn people do, but I think I’m _aware_ of most of them. “Look baby, that teacher is the woman who put a carrot in her butt, just like you did when I asked you last week after I watched her video.” Is that what you’re contemplating here? I guess I"m missing part of your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/995 "2024-03-06T20:57:23Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > So say you saw the OnlyFans video. You liked it and got your partner to simulate something in the video. Then you figure out what you saw was done by the teacher. I’m, uh, not going to say that, thank you. It’s possible you have a very different relationship with your partner than I have with mine, but this isn’t a scenario I’m gonna find myself in. Are you imagining that you watch the video with your partner, or by yourself? If it’s by yourself, does your partner know? If not, at what point do you tell them? At what point are they devastated? What exactly is devastating them? The whole scenario is very confusing and weird. That said, if I found out my partner (and i’m talking theory here, because I try to limit how I talk about my actual family with y’all) were on adult sites and using what they learned from those adult sites to get someone fired, you bet I’d be mad. I don’t know that I’d automatically break up with my partner over their behavior, but I’d sure think about it: that behavior would be utterly shameful. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/996 "2024-03-06T21:04:16Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > So say you saw the OnlyFans video. You liked it and got your partner to simulate something in the video. Then you figure out what you saw was done by the teacher. > > This is going to be absolutely humiliating, devastating for your partner. Why would they be humiliated? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/997 "2024-03-07T00:51:33Z")
That was going to be my question. So, you watched some porn you liked. And you talked about it with your partner. And the two of you did some stuff inspired by that discussion. And then you learned that the actress is a teacher. And THAT is somehow humiliating? I’m clearly missing something. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/998 "2024-03-07T00:55:59Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And THAT is somehow humiliating? I’m clearly missing something. Yes, that it’s “absolutely humiliating and devastating”! ‘I was fine with you learning some new sexy time stuff from a porno but from an actual teacher? I WANT TO DIE!!!’ ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/999 "2024-03-07T10:33:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If they’re the ones disrupting education, I’m absolutely predisposed to do that. Not through like law enforcement, but through **public outrage** at their interference with the schools. Stirring public outrage is not a practical solution, it’s a moonshot. And under the conditions of the hypothetical (community at large wants the teacher out, including school board), it is not a solution the school has any incentive to implement. Firing the teacher is a practical solution. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/1000 "2024-03-07T10:48:19Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > If the criterium you are using is: “Teacher did action X and it caused disruption in the classroom therefore they are an ineffectual teacher then they should be fired.” Just because a teacher did something that caused disruption in the classroom does not mean they are an ineffectual teacher who should be fired. This particular action X has given the teacher a permanent status which invites continuing and significant disruption. It’s not a one-time thing like a Freudian slip. You mentioned upthread that your grandmother had to stop teaching when she married. That is directly analogous. And you’ll be very unhappy to learn, as I just did, that marital status is _not_ protected in all states. (Florida, for all its flaws, protects marital status.) While I struggle to envision a community today that would drive out a teacher for being married, without triggering sex discrimination, it is hypothetically possible and my rationale applies equally in that hypothetical as to a teacher who made porn. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/1001 "2024-03-07T11:11:47Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I do want to understand the principle you’re describing. Is this a fair restatement? > > > [not a quote] If a teacher’s behavior outside the classroom negatively impacts the students’ learning from that teacher, they should not be allowed to teach in that school, UNLESS THAT BEHAVIOR IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE TEACHER’S MEMBERSHIP IN A PROTECTED CLASS. > > Other than protected class membership, you’re okay with such firings? If, for example, a teacher lives in a place where gender identity is not recognized as a protected class, would you support firing a trans teacher for presenting as the gender they identify as? That’s accurate as to _my_ position. I would say “unless discrimination based on that behavior is prohibited by law”. I also wouldn’t use the words “okay” and “support” so much as “begrudgingly accept”. Especially in cases where the teacher did something entirely reasonable in my personal opinion (i.e. presenting as the gender they identify as). But the _Bostock_ decision I cited upthread relieves me from this particular hypothetical. If the teacher is being fired for something they bear no fault for, however, I acknowledge an ethical dilemma. I think I previously mentioned a hypothetical where a teacher had done sex work involuntarily. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/1002 "2024-03-07T12:21:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If a parent drives through town and sees a teacher at a Black Lives Matter rally, they take a picture and share it with the other parents, and this being a super conservative area, this leads to arguments over wokeness all over NextDoor and disruption in classrooms. > > Should the teacher be fired? Not if it’s a public school. > [@Kimstu](#): > > I completely agree that the teacher is in no way directly responsible for that outcome, since her being outed as a porn performer was not her own doing. But it’s an entirely predictable outcome in any situation where students find out that their teacher is a porn performer. For my part I could care less about whether some number of kids take a peek at the porn, or become mildly curious about sex. I’m personally more concerned about a visceral community-wide reaction of slut shaming. Because it’s already established, if the teacher is being fired, that the community’s moral standards are relatively… conservative. Which leads to… > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Umm, wouldn’t the first lesson in respecting authority be you do not mock and/or ridicule someone in authority, who('s authority) should be respected? …a conflict between parents who are _not okay_ with the teacher being in charge of their kids, and the teacher who (if not fired) would have that authority. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Porn wasn’t even widely available 30 years ago. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Before the Internet, no, porn was not particularly widely available. I always assumed it was from the '60s on, what with magazines and such. Certainly every teenager who had a claim to be cool had magazines, at least in the movies and television shows. > [@Babale](#): > > I don’t know when you went through school, but when I was in 9th grade we _absolutely_ talked about sex, porn, lesbian/gay people (not trans in my day), and many other aspects of adult sexuality in Sex Ed. Whereas when I was in 8th grade, during the one hour we had sex ed., for the students whose parents signed the permission slip, I don’t remember any discussion of porn or gay people. In fact the only topics I remember were abstinence, contraceptives, and STDs. > [@Babale](#): > > Mr. Stephenson says that some people like members of the same sex, and that’s OK I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in my state. Maybe even during the one hour of sex ed. in 8th grade. Mr. Stephenson would be fired and then potentially sued by the parents of the children who heard him. While I think it’s a very bad law I do think Mr. Stephenson should follow it. Even if the law wasn’t there maybe he shouldn’t wade in on such a controversial subject as whether gay marriage is “okay”. I wouldn’t support him doing more than stopping the teasing and maybe acknowledging that the law respects X’s family. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m wondering if folks who advocate firing the OF teacher also would fire a teacher with a bartender side gig, on the premise that it normalizes an activity that’s obviously harmful for children to engage in, or that kids who wouldn’t otherwise drink alcohol might be tempted to do so on learning that their teacher waits tables at a beer-serving restaurant. I can’t imagine there being similar lasting classroom disruption just because the teacher waits tables at a beer-serving restaurant, or works at a bar. Or waited/worked. Serving beer doesn’t have the same stigma as slut. Maybe in Alabama in a dry county, if the teacher works his or her side gig in a wet county. Probably not even then. Anyways if it did happen, and the community’s prudishness gets in the way of teaching, I would have to support the firing. I have no issue with that. However if it’s really a racial stereotype at work (i.e. Irish drunk) that’s protected. ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=51)