# How do we fix this? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594 "2019-10-28T14:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/1 "2019-10-28T14:55:54Z")
LAZombie posts this hot nonsense: > [@Fear of Congressional D's leaking Baghdadi raid, realistic?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-of-congressional-ds-leaking-baghdadi-raid-realistic/842555/24): > > I truly believe that liberals will do anything to hurt Trump including sabotaging a mission to kill terrorists. I mean, what the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/2 "2019-10-28T15:00:55Z")
An almost universal human trait is to impute one’s own sins and frailties to others. Liars think other people are liars. Cheaters think others cheat. Haters think others hate. **LAZombie** would probably have been delighted if one of Obama’s military actions got sabotaged by right-wingers. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/3 "2019-10-28T15:02:27Z")
Your wrong because your belief system is not based on evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/4 "2019-10-28T15:04:12Z")
It’s very simple : Republicans put party before country (and, as of late, Trump weeeeell before party) ; therefore they assume the same is true of everyone else, ergo Democrats must put harming Trump well before party, itself leagues ahead of country. It’s of course demonstrably wrong, but it’s easy to follow. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/5 "2019-10-28T15:04:51Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **LAZombie** would probably have been delighted if one of Obama’s military actions got sabotaged by right-wingers. Fuck that noise, don’t be as bad as him. As shitty as his post was I’m not going to accuse him of rooting for America to fail. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/6 "2019-10-28T15:15:02Z")
You know all those times when Trump says something ridiculously false, and so clearly made-up that you ask yourself what kind of weak-minded simpleton could possibly be gullible enough to fall for such obvious horseshit? Well, you have your answer. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/7 "2019-10-28T15:15:23Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > LAZombie posts this hot nonsense: > … > I mean, what the fuck? You can’t fix that. That is based on noting that has ever happened. All you can do is make a note to self about who said it, and remember that. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/8 "2019-10-28T15:23:00Z")
And just how would they _do_ that? Is the implication that the DNC has a hot line to ISIS? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/9 "2019-10-28T15:30:40Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > And just how would they _do_ that? Is the implication that the DNC has a hot line to ISIS? The reason for shit stirring is to stir shit-it doesn’t need logic and/or reason. The first post in this thread is the exact response he wanted. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/10 "2019-10-28T15:49:57Z")
Y’all say “Oh, nothing like this has ever happened”, but what about the Bowling Green Massacre? Surely y’all haven’t _forgotten_ the Bowling Green Massacre?!? (Never forget!) And how Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez blabbed classified information to the Failing _New York Times_ and the Fake News _Washington Post_ which prevented our brave Special Forces guys from preventing that awful, awful tragedy back in January of '17. Never forget! OK, smart-assery aside, I’m really not sure what the answer to the question posed in the OP is. My best guess is that the Democrats need to beat Trump like a rented mule next year, and inflict _major_ losses to the Republicans in Congress and at every level of government–a real Presidential landslide, with large coattails. _And_ then Hypothetical Democratic 46th President of the United States of America has to be sufficiently popular (and therefore competent and effective, and also politically savvy) to prevent the Republicans from roaring back in the '22 mid-terms the way they did in 2010. (Which will necessarily also involve the Democratic Party electorate getting off its collective ass and actually showing up for a mid-term election in sufficient numbers.) And I also admit I haven’t seen any evidence that the Democrats are going to manage to pull _any_ of that off. They may–_may_–beat _ **Donald fucking Trump** _ next year, but only just by holding the “blue states” and taking back enough of the “purple states”. When they ought, by all reason, to be poised to sweep _all_ the “purple states” and start flipping a bunch of the softer “red states”. Just to be clear, if everything in my fantasy were to come true–President Pete Buttigieg taking Texas or some crazy shit like that–there would still be idiots like **LAZombie** out there (_For ye have the damned fools always with you_), but if the Republican Party experiences enough pain (or not even _enough_ pain, given the damage they’ve inflicted on the country, but a large amount of pain) then it will cease to be politically profitable to pander to the bigots, xenophobes, mindless haters, conspiracy-mongers, beady-eyed religious loons, “culture warriors”, and other deplorables who walk among us, at least for a few generations. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/11 "2019-10-28T15:57:42Z")
It’s a fucking cult, and it’s a very real threat. You can’t cajole, convince, browbeat, or ANYthing with them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/12 "2019-10-28T16:26:03Z")
“Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired: for in the course of things, men always grow vicious before they become unbelievers.” - Jonathan Swift - ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/13 "2019-10-28T16:35:56Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Fuck that noise, don’t be as bad as him. As shitty as his post was I’m not going to accuse him of rooting for America to fail. You’re right, and I knew this as I clicked _Submit_. :o I just get so sick of the right-wing imbecility, lies and hatred that I lash out. I apologize to you and the Board’s other rational thinkers. I won’t apologize to the scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/14 "2019-10-28T17:11:46Z")
The sad thing is that **LAZombie** ’s position is all too common among Trumpers. They really believe “their” president has done nothing wrong, and it’s all a left wing plot to discredit him/steal power/otherwise accomplish nefarious things. People like that will not listen to reason, and they reject any information that doesn’t fit with their peculiar world view. I dunno how you fight that level of willful dumbassery. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/15 "2019-10-28T17:14:46Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > The sad thing is that **LAZombie** ’s position is all too common among Trumpers. They really believe “their” president has done nothing wrong, and it’s all a left wing plot to discredit him/steal power/otherwise accomplish nefarious things. People like that will not listen to reason, and they reject any information that doesn’t fit with their peculiar world view. I dunno how you fight that level of willful dumbassery. Start winning elections ? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/16 "2019-10-28T17:16:40Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > The sad thing is that **LAZombie** ’s position is all too common among Trumpers. They really believe “their” president has done nothing wrong, and it’s all a left wing plot to discredit him/steal power/otherwise accomplish nefarious things. People like that will not listen to reason, and they reject any information that doesn’t fit with their peculiar world view. I dunno how you fight that level of willful dumbassery. I think **LAZombie’s** position is that it doesn’t matter if Trump does wrong because the only “right” is winning. Fucking over enemies is winning. Getting away with it is winning. Not going to jail is winning. Pissing people off is winning. Not having to hide hate with the thinnest veneer of decency is winning. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/17 "2019-10-28T17:18:55Z")
There is no fixing it. Instead of worshiping a golden calf, the cult worships an orange jackass. This cult of personality is every bit as extreme as the cult of Kim in North Korea. Actually, it’s worse because North Koreans have no resources for objective truth, the MAGAbots have the resources but refuse to use them. I’m afraid that deprogramming the cult is nearly impossible, the only cure for most will be embalming fluid. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/18 "2019-10-28T17:21:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I think **LAZombie’s** position is that it doesn’t matter if Trump does wrong because the only “right” is winning. Fucking over enemies is winning. Getting away with it is winning. Not going to jail is winning. Pissing people off is winning. Not having to hide hate with the thinnest veneer of decency is winning. And that mindset just boggles my mind. It’s as if almost everything I’ve believed my entire life is irrelevant. Honor, integrity, honesty…none of that shit matters anymore. The world has passed me by. I’m a dinosaur, and my killer asteroid is long overdue… ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/19 "2019-10-28T17:30:31Z")
Who, or what, is LAZombie? Is that a poster here, or something? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594/20 "2019-10-28T17:32:41Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It’s very simple : Republicans put party before country (and, as of late, Trump weeeeell before party) ; therefore they assume the same is true of everyone else, ergo Democrats must put harming Trump well before party, itself leagues ahead of country. > > It’s of course demonstrably wrong, but it’s easy to follow. Republicans of today would argue that they are using the political system to their advantage, and that the Democrats would do, and have done, the same thing when they’re in power. There’s a shred of truth to that; however, Democratic interests are more concerned with distribution of wealth and power, whereas Republicans seek the concentration of these resources. A related point is that the concentration of wealth and power is an undemocratic idea, as it promotes the politics of competition, with victors receiving the spoils and then deciding how whatever’s left will be distributed. I think there has always been and always be a class of people that favors competition over cooperation, and promotes greed over fairness. What has changed in my lifetime is that the generations of people who lived in a world based more so on the value of cooperation, having lived through the searing experiences of the Great Depression and WWII, are now gone. In their place are generations of people who’ve grown up with abundance and who consequently value cooperation less than their predecessors. Republicans are probably not the majority in terms of the marketplace of ideas, but they stopped competing on that battlefield a while ago; they’re concerned with power for the sake of having it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-fix-this/842594.md?page=2)