How do women in poverty become obese?

Tasty junk food is cheap, and often cheaper than healthy food if one doesn’t have extra time to prepare. When life sucks (shitty job, shitty home, no vacation, little entertainment, etc.), tasty junk food might be the only pleasant thing in one’s life. It’s hard for me to condemn someone for indulging in a few of life’s simple pleasures (tasty food, sex, etc.) that I partake in myself quite frequently, when that’s pretty much the only non-shitty thing in their life.

There are probably some human speciments with such incredible willpower that, without anything else good in life, they can still resist any temptation for pleasant things when they might be harmful in the long run, but those are few and far between, and most people aren’t going to measure up.

How about caffeine which is damn useful for maintaining alertness while on the job? Some people can’t stand coffee (and coffee has no more nutritional value than soda) and hot drinks are not uncomfortable for many in the summer.

One December day I bought a half-price chocolate strawberry shortcake with my EBT. The person behind me at the checkout remarked very loudly “I wish I was on welfare so I could afford junk food.”

I looked straight at her and replied very loudly “THIS is my birthday cake. My birthday is tomorrow. It’s half-price. I am disabled (showing my left hand). And remember: Change the name and the tale is told about you.”

She had no reply.

People can still buy whatever they like with cash. But we put restrictions on the SNAP benefits since the taxpayers are giving that money for a certain purpose (nutrition). A 2-liter bottle of store soda is about $0.75. If someone is too poor to afford that, then they probably shouldn’t be spending SNAP benefits on it either.

I’ll say this…coffee isn’t just popular in the PNW because of the cool, damp weather. And I find that it helps with my blood/sugar numbers as well.

Coffee helps regulate sugar in your blood?

Yup…I believe due to both increased output as well as higher metabolism rate (my digestive doctor believes I have neuropathy in my stomach, slowing digestion down to a crawl).

Also, a bit of education helps - soda is sugar-water. Fruit juice is juice from fruits - big difference in nutrition. It used to be - seems big business has gotten the rules changed - that junk food like soda could not be “fortified with X vitamins” simply because then it would be deceptive - people who didn’t know nutrition would think “it’s OK to drink soda instead of milk because it’s got vitamins…” If a drink is sugar water, it’s not fruit juice. Stuff that is mixed like that is misleading labelled as “fruit drink” or “contains X juice” (plus junk). Wording is incredibly important.

If you need a degree to properly understand nutrition, is it any wonder some less able people are confused enough to not eat properly?

Fruit juice is, you guessed it, juice from fruits. And that juice is 99% sugar water.

At some point we have to give up trying to micromanage people on food stamps. Yeah, it’s our money so we get to decide what restrictions to put on that money. I’m claiming that just because we can doesn’t mean we should. The juice vs soda example is a crystallized example. Juice is healthy, soda is unhealthy? Except they are both sugar and water. The fruit juice might contain a few trace vitamins or something, but they literally add synthetic Vitamin C to juice just so it can say “high in vitamin C”.

Is the point to keep people from starving? We could just do like the Romans used to do and hand out a weekly grain allotment. You won’t starve on that, right? Or are we trying to micromanage the health of people on welfare? If we’re doing that, maybe actual health care might be in order? Or are we just offended at the poor buying food that we don’t approve of?

To go back to the original question, poor people on food stamps can buy a lot of calories worth of food for very little money. Food is very inexpensive compared to our national budget. So we could save some money if we just handed out 10 kilo sacks of wheat every month. But the problem is not that people in America are so poor they’re in danger of starving to death. Our budget is not so strained that all we can afford is to prevent starvation.

If you read older books you often come across the interesting spectacle of people living in some garret apartment starving to death, or having to sell their coat to buy food. Yes, in the 1800s that garret apartment was dirt cheap, but food was very expensive, and a coat was even more expensive. Imagine trying to sell a used coat today to buy food. In that world, an obese poor person was impossible, because if you had enough money to buy enough food to become fat you couldn’t be poor.

But we don’t live in that world. In 2017 America food is super cheap, super convenient, super calorie dense, and scientifically designed to taste good. Literally scientifically designed. They have actual scientists figuring out ways to make the pleasure centers of your brain light up like a pinball game when you eat snack food.

And so in 2017 lots and lots of people are fat, rich and poor and middle class. And even the poor can get enough extra calories to put on extra pounds, because those extra calories don’t cost that much. It’s not that complicated. The poor are fatter than they used to be for the same reasons that everyone is fatter than they used to be. And the extent to which poor people are more likely to be fatter than average is the extent to which they experience those same reasons more often.

Good post until you got to the part about how food is now comparatively cheap. That may be, but that doesn’t mean that the poor have a lot of money for it. The standards most experts use for personal budgets is that no more than 30% should go to housing. The reality of today is that many people are having to greatly exceed that (especially on the West Coast, if not the East as well). So those savings on food are now likely going to pay the mortgage/rent.

In college in the late '60s, I took a sociology course where there was a segment on class in America. One of the conclusions of one of the authors we read was that for the rich, the standard was portly men and skinny women, “starved to near perfection.” For the poor, it was the opposite, skinny men and plump women.

This…still seemed to be at least partly true (once I got in an elevator with Marvin Davis, at the time one of the richest guys in Denver, and frankly, I worried about that elevator and it wasn’t because of me) but less so, as the executive guys spend a lot on fitness.

But bottom line, a rich person who wants to not be fat can hire a personal trainer, a nutritionist, and a personal chef, who will make all their food decisions, prepare it for them, and make them exercise.

But I don’t actually see a lot of fat people in Denver and when I do, I usually have no clue about their socioeconomic status. There is this one guy at the gym, and he’s not poor because he’s in the gym. (He’s also not working very hard in the gym.)

So you use being disabled when telling someone off, but you wonder why people say you should be on disability??

And I don’t see the relevancy to mentioning her disability in this scenario. At all.

Is it an American thing to make comments on other people’s grocery shopping? Stories like Annie-Xmas’s pop up here quite often (and elsewhere online) but I can say I have never once, in my entire life, had a stranger make comments about what I was buying at the shops or how I was paying for it.

I worked in supermarkets during university and never witnessed a customer making comments about someone else’s groceries, beyond the usual “People who ignore the express lane sign and dump a trolley full of stuff on the conveyer” complaints which are totally justified as it irritates the fuck out of all right-thinking people.

Apparently, yes.

I work in an American grocery store right now, and people making snide comments about other peoples’ purchases is fairly common. Not so much to that person personally (although it does happen) as in an aside to me, the cashier, after that person has left.

It’s not just purchases - had a man and his wife come through my line. The man is in his early 40’s and has advanced lung damage and is on oxygen (I know this in part from the green oxygen cylinder that he takes everywhere, but also from his wife, because her t-shirt invites questions about Alpha-1 deficiency and they are happy to educate people on the subject). After they left the next customers made a comment about how he is “too young” to be on oxygen and implied he’d done something wrong (like maybe smoke too much or something) or maybe he was faking or something. I said “he has a genetic disorder that causes severe lung damage”. Ohhh, well, that’s different… but how could I know that? “I asked him”. Yeah, shocking, talking to someone wearing a t-shirt saying “Ask me about Alpha-1 deficiency”.

Had another customer ask me “Why is that guy so short?” about another one of our regular customers. Um… 'cause he’s got some form of dwarfism? I mean, it’s pretty obvious, he’s a middle-aged man about 3.5 feet tall.

That, aside from comments like “Those two are too young to be having sex!”. Said about a couple in their mid-20’s (I know this from seeing their ID’s when they were buying beer) who are married, as a comment about the condoms and sex lube they were buying. That’s on top of rude comments about people on WIC and EBT, rude comments about black women with multiple children (but apparently white folks with a small herd of kids running around is OK), rude comments about multi-racial couples/families, rude comments about people with tattoos, various body piercings, clothing (or lack of sufficient) or the dizzy old lady who has been a multi-year crusade against the company forcing female employees to wear “male clothing” (pants, and I think she’s offended by which side of the shirt the buttons are on).

Yep, we Americans can be pretty damn nosy and rude.

This was shortly after my accident, and my left hand was still in a bad state. But it has improved.

I’m not above playing the disabled card, but my disability only meant I had to find a different job, one I could do. I probably could have gotten disability for my mental quirks, but dammit, I like to work.

I also thinking discussing other people’s eating habits is beyond rude. And damn boring.

Shit, I get the* cashier *making comments about what I’m buying. I’m not ashamed to say I had a itchy butt at one point and debated over getting Tucks. When I saw that Tucks is basically witch hazel, I opted for the cheaper bottle of witch hazel. Good thing, since the cashier took her time examining each item and repeating the name of it out loud.

Thank goodness for self-checkout.

As the cashier, you don’t tell them that this is too many items for the express line, and they will have to take them to a regular line? Then no wonder people keep doing this!

I was looking at food prices, and here’s a couple of cheap ways you can get 2200 calories:

16 oz pkg rice + 16 oz pkg beans ~= 2200 calories for about $1.50
20 oz pizza + 2 liter soda ~= 2200 calories for about $3.50

The recommended amount of calories is 2-3000 per day depending on the person. If you can get 1000 calories for $1 or so, it doesn’t take much to buy enough food to become overweight.

Yeah that was a poor choice in wording on my part. Saying that I felt as if I were starving myself wasn’t accurate. I should have said that it felt, mentally, as if I hadn’t eaten but a tiny bit of what I should have eaten for that day, despite eating over 60% of my normal caloric needs. It made me realize just how easy it is to eat waay too many calories without even really noticing or feeling it.