# How do you campaign against Donald Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 28, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515 "2017-09-28T13:47:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515/81 "2017-10-19T12:46:15Z")
> **[Fox News Poll: Roy Moore, Doug Jones neck-and-neck in Alabama Senate race](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-roy-moore-doug-jones-neck-and-neck-in-alabama-senate-race)** > > Republican Roy Moore, the anti-Republican establishment candidate, is tied at 42 percent apiece with Democrat Doug Jones in the U.S. Senate race in deep-red Alabama. Alabama race is pretty close. I still think Moore takes it and would be stunned if he didn’t. I don’t think Doug Jones can pull off what Jon Bel Edwards did in Louisiana for two reasons: 1) the tradition of voting for Democrats is probably stronger in Louisiana, and 2) Jindal, a Republican, wrecked Louisiana’s budget. I’m not aware of that happening in Bama. The Dems need to find a way to convince Nick Saban to run instead. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515/82 "2017-10-19T18:47:49Z")
> [@Translucent\_Daydream](#): > > There is a line in the movie “As good as it gets” where Jack Nicholson screams at Greg Kinner “I’m drowning here and all you’re doing is describing the water” > > That’s kind of what me, the average voter, feels like when I read these threads about “how to beat/stop/win against Trump/GOP.” > > You know what nobody talks about? Housing prices. That affects EVERYONE I know, no matter the color or creed. Unless you were lucky enough to own before the meltdown, we are all stranded here with the same damn problem. My parents are looking for another place to live they can afford while my dad works his final years away. > > For my family, as soon as we get a handle on paying the “new high rent”, we lose our place to another rent hike and have to spend all of our savings securing another place to live. The last move was almost down to the last hour we had to move. I spent 4 months and all of our life savings looking for the next place to live. I tried everything, and ended up bidding on another rental where I was one of 96 applicants and had to pay all of our 7600 savings prepaying rent at 1700 a month to be able to secure this current rental. I now have to remodel this house to be able to keep the landlord at bay long enough to maybe make some of our savings back for the next time our landlord decides to “sell the house and be done with renting.” > > The savings were earmarked for our dream of owning our own place so we wouldn’t have to be shuffled around like trash at the whims of some property owner. The last place we rented took over 42,000 in rent from us to pay off the mortgage on that house so these people could sell it and roll the money tax free into “another investment”. If I was able to keep renting the last place for another 8 months, we would have saved enough to be able to buy our own place. Now we are five years behind in saving up for that again. Will we be able to rent that long? Probably not, by that point this house will be done with my required remodel and will be worth more to he landlord in a sale than just letting me rent it. The cycle continues. > > Not one of the candidates in 2016 said shit about what we are going through. This is the central problem that touches on all of my family, all of my friends, scattered across the 17 different states we live in. > > I can’t even get to the point where our application to adopt American children gets all the boxes checked. Homeowner? No check there. They know like all of us, that the average joe owning a house is the biggest thing someone can do to protect their economic future. > > Maybe I’m missing something, and I am probably the dumbest poster in this thread. It just seems like everyone I know has been treading this water so god damn long we are too tired to understand everything else. While I empathize with your problem, I really don’t think national politicians can solve it. From what I know of Portland housing and rent price increases (which are among the biggest increases in the US recently) the issue is people from the bay area are moving to Portland, driving up prices for various reasons (higher wages among the northern California immigrants, people from there are used to paying more for housing, etc). The bay area has a shortage of housing because of city government policies restricting the building of homes and apartments. So the cause of your problem is likely found and solved on the city level. I don’t think a national president could make a difference. The reason I bring that up is also because Trump promised the moon to a lot of people. He promised to bring back coal jobs. You can’t bring coal jobs back, because natural gas and renewables are cheaper. You can’t bring manufacturing jobs back because outsourcing and automation is cheaper. Presidents promising the moon for issues that have market economic causes, or are caused By policies on the city or state level (like your housing crisis in Portland which is largely caused by city policies in San Francisco) are just making empty promises. I have heard due to a lack of investment opportunities, lots of global investors are buying up real estate to rent it. This would cause issues for homeowners, but locally I haven’t been affected by this. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515/83 "2017-10-21T15:22:09Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > While I empathize with your problem, I really don’t think national politicians can solve it. > > From what I know of Portland housing and rent price increases (which are among the biggest increases in the US recently) the issue is people from the bay area are moving to Portland, driving up prices for various reasons (higher wages among the northern California immigrants, people from there are used to paying more for housing, etc). > > The bay area has a shortage of housing because of city government policies restricting the building of homes and apartments. > > So the cause of your problem is likely found and solved on the city level. I don’t think a national president could make a difference. > > The reason I bring that up is also because Trump promised the moon to a lot of people. He promised to bring back coal jobs. You can’t bring coal jobs back, because natural gas and renewables are cheaper. You can’t bring manufacturing jobs back because outsourcing and automation is cheaper. > > Presidents promising the moon for issues that have market economic causes, or are caused By policies on the city or state level (like your housing crisis in Portland which is largely caused by city policies in San Francisco) are just making empty promises. > > I have heard due to a lack of investment opportunities, lots of global investors are buying up real estate to rent it. This would cause issues for homeowners, but locally I haven’t been affected by this. I can totally see this but I wonder why it’s affecting so many markets at once. These are the moves that we have done so far to escape the rent and follow work: Dallas, TX Houston, TX Raton, NM Centennial, CO Cheyenne, WY Portland, OR Beaverton, OR Salem, OR We just got this place paid for and the roof went in the latest storm, so we just lost this place too as we are getting our lease canceled on us so they can knock down the house. I know after I take the landlord to court, I’ll get back most of my 7000 bucks but it’s going to take maxing out my last credit card on a lawyer. I know Oregon has a California problem, but I don’t know what Texas has, my father and mom have been pushed out so far he is now commuting 2 hours and 15 minutes to his job each way and they are getting pushed further. Same thing with my brother and family in Georgia and Tennessee. My cousin in Charlotte just lost his house and is in a shelter somewhere there. This is why people don’t show up to vote. Ending hijack ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515/84 "2017-10-21T15:25:37Z")
How I would campaign against Trump is have some well respected Patton type general that has a lot of sway with vets and have him do the television spots about how shitty and dangerous he is, and how he is putting servicemen and women’s lives in danger because he is a ubertard, blah blah blah. Most of the vets I know are strongly GOP although the GOP are largely responsible for the sequester that has decimated veterans funding. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515/85 "2017-10-22T19:55:11Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > How about; promise to be more extreme. Trump wants to deport illegals and build a wall, you will flog all illegals before deporting them and will drop an H-Bomb on Mexico City. I think **AK84** sums it up quite well here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-campaign-against-donald-trump/797515.md?page=4)