# How do you expect the shutdown to end? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088 "2013-10-01T14:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/161 "2013-10-15T05:21:08Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > …They don’t have to convince the tea partiers that they have to stop. They just have to convince the other Republicans that they will not get primaried… Oh, is _that_ all? Well, shit, whatever was I worrying about! Silly me! ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/162 "2013-10-15T20:16:38Z")
Do you think it would work if Boehner went to every tea partier in the house and said “Look, I know you are afraid of being primaried out next election if you cave, but if you don’t vote with me, I guarantee that you will see $0 from the RNC. So basically, you are going to lose either way. You can do lose with a little self respect or you can lose with your head up the tea partiers asses” I bet he could get a few to switch over, maybe enough to pass. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/163 "2013-10-15T20:36:16Z")
They got the Koch Brothers. What do they need the RNC for? Now, of late, there are some stirrings that indicate that maybe, just maybe, the Toxic Twins have come realize that they’ve created a monster that is munching on them, and the Chamber of Commerce has totally bailed out…normally, this would mean they would fling themselves to the ground and grovel up to kiss Boehner’s shoe. Trouble being, that one word, “normal”. See, I think they have fallen prey to their own propaganda, they don’t think that the fat cats who have inflated the Tea Party for their own ends have the actual money power, they think they are a grass-roots populist movement. They _think_ they can raise all the money they need from the millions and millions of small donors that they _think_ financed their campaigns. The liberal media has told them where the money came from, so of course, they don’t believe it. They are either too stupid to see what’s right in front of their faces, or are cynically exploiting people who are that stupid. Doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/164 "2013-10-16T02:24:54Z")
I’m starting to get concerned now that the House won’t be able to get it together in time to avoid a default. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/165 "2013-10-16T02:56:16Z")
You should be. The House punted/balked/gave up/screwed us today, and apparently Senate procedural issues will prevent them from getting a bill to the House before the deadline. (Technical) default looks assured at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/166 "2013-10-16T03:38:36Z")
Fortunately, the shutdown has likely delayed true default by acting as a sort of super-sequester. And by “fortunately,” I mean, fuck John Boehner specifically and personally for this manufactured crisis. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/167 "2013-10-16T04:12:22Z")
The facts hardly matter. If all the world markets sit tight and adopt a “we’ll muddle through” attitude, might not be too bad. Its how irrational and emotional humans react to those facts that matter. Nobody wants to be late, be the last in line to sell off their assets before the floor collapses. And besides, the first lemming over the cliff has the best view, the last one probably has second thoughts on the way down… ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/168 "2013-10-16T15:05:55Z")
The House has agreed to run the Senate’s compromise bill through first and then send it to Senate for a vote. Supposedly this cuts down on chances for senate delay tactics but I don’t claim to know the arcane rules. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/169 "2013-10-16T15:17:01Z")
Which reminds me, has anyone else been to Colossal Cave? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/170 "2013-10-16T15:25:43Z")
Looking like, in a matter of hours, the Senate will send a bill to the House to save our collective bacon. (I don’t mean “collective” in the bad, terrible, no good way, but in the way of saving our asses as a shared thing…). It will pass, but barely, as they count out the votes so that the most endangered Republicans can vote against it and it will still pass. About fifteen to twenty five of them will just have to take their chances. The Senate bill will contain some insignificant tweaks that the tighty righties will pretend is a huge victory won by facing down Obama. House and Senate members can open their newspaper tomorrow and their investment portfolio will not have turned to dog shit. Smells like victory, and teen spirit. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/171 "2013-10-16T16:51:19Z")
So is anyone surprised that this deal is going down less than 24 hours before Debt Ceiling Day? This is exactly how I expected the shutdown to end: at the last second, there would be a reprieve that didn’t solve any of the major issues (left or right). I am less than thrilled, and will be voting against my senators and congressman come next election, even though they personally (Democrats all) are not part of the problem. I’m not a fan of term limits or new blood for new blood’s sake, but neither am I going to vote as if this is acceptable government. (Not that electing a Republican would help, but the California senate races can afford my protest vote, which would probably wind up being third party.) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/172 "2013-10-16T17:05:22Z")
[Good day sir!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/173 "2013-10-16T17:08:33Z")
Whelp, apparently we just get to do it all again in December. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/174 "2013-10-16T17:12:05Z")
What is the appropriate forum for a gloating, in your face, happy dance type thread? ---
**Author:** ![This\_Just\_In\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@This\_Just\_In\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/This_Just_In_2)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/175 "2013-10-16T17:31:21Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Whelp, apparently we just get to do it all again in December. Do we dare hope that the whacking the GOP took in the polls can save us from having to deal with another government shutdown in January. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/176 "2013-10-16T17:48:50Z")
> [@This\_Just\_In\_2](#): > > Do we dare hope that the whacking the GOP took in the polls can save us from having to deal with another government shutdown in January. Yes: they’ll find a different way to obstruct. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/177 "2013-10-16T17:50:11Z")
My favorite new word of the day is “Schadenboehner”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/178 "2013-10-16T18:59:06Z")
Now he has something to cry _about_, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/179 "2013-10-16T19:12:15Z")
from [here:](http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/senate-reaches-deal-raise-debt-ceiling-and-end-shut-down) > [@](#): > > The bill also reportedly includes a provision that could make it harder to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip: At the next deadline, Congress would be required to pass a bill if it wants to block the ceiling from increasing. Otherwise, the ceiling would go up automatically. If that is true this is a much bigger win than we could’ve hoped for. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088/180 "2013-10-16T20:06:33Z")
That’s not mentioned in [this, more recent, story](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/328811-senate-leaders-strike-deal-expect-quick-house-action) about the compromise bill. I think Mother Jones was working off old or faulty information (although I’d love for it to be true). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-expect-the-shutdown-to-end/670088.md?page=10)