# How do you think this whole Trump thing is going to end? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525 "2017-01-29T20:59:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/61 "2017-01-30T14:10:35Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > … > How much trust are you really willing to give people who have just been proven _this_ gullible and stupid, this one apparent “come-to-Jesus moment” notwithstanding? Explain where “trust” comes into it? The important thing is that they ARE figuring it out, even if after the fact. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/62 "2017-01-30T14:22:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The important thing is that they ARE figuring it out, even if after the fact. So what? These particular rubes figuring out they’ve been had is one thing, but changing their overall worldview and subsequently their voting habits is entirely another. Do you really think they’re not just going to move on to the very next con man that promises them easy answers? Because the problems that led to them eating up Our Great Leader’s bullshit haven’t gone away, and are certainly all going to get even worse. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/63 "2017-01-30T14:29:00Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > On the one hand, I get it. They came around. Good for them. > > OTOH it’s going to be difficult and quite distasteful to just forgive and forget, for myself and I’m certain for many others. I have empathy, but I have zero sympathy. **HE TOLD THEM WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO**. _WE_ told them what he was going to do. And they _still_ just chose to hear whatever it is they wanted to hear. > > How much trust are you really willing to give people who have just been proven _this_ gullible and stupid, this one apparent “come-to-Jesus moment” notwithstanding? > > . Thats the question of Red State America we’ve always been facing. How do we help these rubes who keep voting against their own interests and getting distracted by manufactured outrage like who can use what bathroom? They’re an anchor around our neck and take more in resources than they ever contribute, but we have bigger fish to fry and need the ones who can be persuaded to help. ---
**Author:** ![minionkat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@minionkat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minionkat)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/64 "2017-01-30T15:18:48Z")
I think he will resign out of boredom and/or frustration. Or he will simply feel his job here is done. He is as advertised, but I don’t believe he really wants to be President. This is a stepping stone for more business opportunities for him. The information he now has access to can be used for years to come. It’s a masterclasses in empire building. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/65 "2017-01-30T15:38:20Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > God forbid Trump should suffer a debilitating or lethal health “incident”. I mean he is 70 and obese. That’s why I voted “other” - Just one week in, he’s looking more pasty and bloated. I’m thinking there will be a non-lethal health incident and a resignation “to spend more time with my family” as the cliche goes. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/66 "2017-01-30T15:53:11Z")
Trump is fighting with the intelligence community and has now excluded them and the Joint Chiefs of Staff from regular attendance on the NSC. It’s starting to look like he’s defying several judges on the Muslim ban. So, we may be looking at a constitutional crisis. An erratic and unpopular leader, potentially illegal actions, and an alienated security apparatus. In other countries these are the ingredients for a coup. Couldn’t happen here, though. American exceptionalism and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/67 "2017-01-30T16:13:08Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > So, we may be looking at a constitutional crisis. An erratic and unpopular leader, potentially illegal actions, and an alienated security apparatus. In other countries these are the ingredients for a coup. Doesn’t matter, the GOP will stay behind him to the end rather than have it go down in history that the Republican president was thrown out of office. There’s basically no moderates left in Congress thanks to redistricting, just strict partisans. Anyone who thinks the strict partisans will eject one of their own is kidding themselves. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/68 "2017-01-30T16:41:39Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > If Trump orders the military to carry out illegal actions (war crimes, torture, illegal wars of aggression, etc.) I don’t think that it’s out of the question that the military might remove him and put Pence or Paul Ryan in his place. They have a legal obligation to refuse unlawful orders and if they obeyed him they would be held accountable (and possibly face capital punishment) under his successor. No snark intended but, would this be any different from the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the ensuing scandals such as at Abu Ghraib and “enhanced interrogation techniques” (how about “aquatic conversations”?)? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/69 "2017-01-30T16:47:57Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Anyone who thinks the strict partisans will eject one of their own is kidding themselves. Therein lies the rub: he’s not one of their own. Pence, of course, is. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/70 "2017-01-30T16:48:01Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Oh man, they are _not_. Take a stroll over to [Reddit - Dive into anything](http://reddit.com/r/the_donald) to see what his faithful voters think. > > Then take a long hot shower, preferably using antibacterial soap. I should have qualified my comment, such as, “_Some_ of his faithful voters are beginning to feel a sense of unease.” I do spend a limited amount of time in other forums that foster such people, the Lost-to-Fox-“News” folks, and I agree, many of them just think everything he is doing is ducky. Just when I thought they couldn’t push my sense of revulsion any higher, I am wrong. But there are a few who have begun to express some concerns. Talked to a farmer in the mid west who now understands what not being part of the TPP is going to do to his productive and profitable farm. He expressed his regret at having voted for Trump in very clear terms. Talked to a woman a couple nights ago at a dinner party whose Forever-Trump brother is now surprised that Trump hasn’t dropped the obsession with his crowd numbers and is no longer sure that a state of perpetual chaos in government is the best way to go. He, too, regrets his vote – a rather stunning confession this early into the debacle. So I get what you are saying. And there isn’t enough anti-bacterial soap in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/71 "2017-01-30T16:51:10Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Therein lies the rub: he’s not one of their own. Pence, of course, is. Nonsense. As long as he has an (R) next to his name, they own him. (More accurately, he owns them) The history books won’t say “Trump, who was a Republican but not _reeeaaalllyy_ a Republican-Republican, was impeached by his own party (but not _really_ his party) for being a complete incompetent cock-up…” ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/72 "2017-01-30T19:00:47Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > At the end of the day, trump is doing exactly what he said it was. The people who voted for him hoping he wouldn’t do them are being proven wrong. In the end I think he’ll survive the next 4 years and stay president and not run for reelection. The Republicans will probably pull back from trump and focus on not getting destroyed in 4 years but besides that not much else. This is basically what everyone kept saying (hoping) would happen during the primaries, and then during the election. He would be so toxic that the rest of the Republicans would distance themselves in hopes of not suffering massive electoral defeat. It didn’t happen. They didn’t suffer. They got reelected with nice majorities in both houses. What’s changed? I voted 4 years. I _think_ that the US isn’t dumb enough to elect him again, and it’s likely that a normal boring white male Democrat candidate who doesn’t have decades of lies perpetuated by the right wing noise machine hanging around his head will mop the floor with him. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/73 "2017-01-30T19:35:25Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > But there are a few who have begun to express some concerns. Talked to a farmer in the mid west who now understands what not being part of the TPP is going to do to his productive and profitable farm. He expressed his regret at having voted for Trump in very clear terms. Talked to a woman a couple nights ago at a dinner party whose Forever-Trump brother is now surprised that Trump hasn’t dropped the obsession with his crowd numbers and is no longer sure that a state of perpetual chaos in government is the best way to go. He, too, regrets his vote – a rather stunning confession this early into the debacle. Fair enough, I get what you mean now. I genuinely admire people who are able to admit they made a mistake, particularly where it comes to politics. It takes balls and searching honesty. We (and by “we” I mean the sane) need to - as I’m sure you already have - ignore their error, empathise with them, embrace them, and help them to join us in opposing [the demon they’ve inadvertently unleashed](https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.wju4kmv5s). I guess I was just being a horrible pedant in my definition of “faithful”, and I’m defining the faithful to be the blind cult-of-personalityists who after a long absence I find to be present, to my deep shock, even on this board. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/74 "2017-01-30T19:38:15Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Trump is fighting with the intelligence community and has now excluded them and the Joint Chiefs of Staff from regular attendance on the NSC. It’s starting to look like he’s defying several judges on the Muslim ban. So, we may be looking at a constitutional crisis. An erratic and unpopular leader, potentially illegal actions, and an alienated security apparatus. In other countries these are the ingredients for a coup. > > Couldn’t happen here, though. American exceptionalism and all that. Yeah, we’re already at a minor constitutional crisis. I can’t imagine the impulsive shitstain can avoid a major one. So, unless he dies, that’s where we’re headed. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/75 "2017-01-30T20:17:24Z")
Is “Holed up in the Oval Office with Melania, a bottle of whiskey and a civil war revolver” an option? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/76 "2017-01-30T20:18:53Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > So what? > > These particular rubes figuring out they’ve been had is one thing, but changing their overall worldview and subsequently their voting habits is entirely another. Do you really think they’re not just going to move on to the very next con man that promises them easy answers? Because the problems that led to them eating up Our Great Leader’s bullshit haven’t gone away, and are certainly all going to get even worse. Okay. See if you can follow my reasoning here. I agree that the fact that they are having buyer’s remorse now does not necessarily mean their worldview has changed and that their future voting habits will change. With me so far? (I just agreed with you, in case you missed it.) But… their worldview and future voting habits will certainly not change UNLESS they have some sort of epiphany at some point about the lying scum that they voted for. I’ll restate: a change of worldview and voting habits is not a given (even WITH buyer’s remorse), but any change in worldview and future voting habits must be preceded by SOME sort of change of heart/mind. For some people, these tweets may represent that. And I agree also that their stupidity and inclination to be conned is an ever-present danger. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/77 "2017-01-30T20:24:11Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > There’s a zero percent chance of Trump getting impeached. He’s giving the GOP the dream chance to be everything they are but were too afraid to show until now. That’s just all the more reason to impeach him. Because, if he brings it out in the open, these guys lose everything they’ve built up. Sure, if Trump would just go a little bit too far, it could work. But all signs point to him going so far that it hurts them, horribly. After impeachment, they will still have Pence, who can still allow them to pass whatever laws they actually want, all the while seeming like they fought back against the horrible Trump. Since it’s not as bad as what Trump wanted, it will seem okay by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/78 "2017-01-30T20:25:48Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Fair enough, I get what you mean now. I genuinely admire people who are able to admit they made a mistake, particularly where it comes to politics. It takes balls and searching honesty. We (and by “we” I mean the sane) need to - as I’m sure you already have - ignore their error, empathise with them, embrace them, and help them to join us in opposing [the demon they’ve inadvertently unleashed](https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.wju4kmv5s). > > I guess I was just being a horrible pedant in my definition of “faithful”, and I’m defining the faithful to be the blind cult-of-personalityists who after a long absence I find to be present, to my deep shock, even on this board. Jesus, that article was terrifying. The point about a purge at State so the Muslim ban would have no real resistance is especially scary. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/79 "2017-01-30T20:43:56Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Jesus, that article was terrifying. The point about a purge at State so the Muslim ban would have no real resistance is especially scary. Holy Crap! You’re right; that was rather chilling! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525/80 "2017-01-30T20:45:08Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Section 4 is not a permanent solution. Even if Congress (by 2/3rds majority vote in each chamber) were to resolve that Trump was incapacitated after he tried to resume his duties he’d still legally be the President, just without any power or role in government. And Trump could just keep sending written declarations to Congress over and over again, restarting the 21 day cycle. That’s not what the text says. It gives him one chance to submit, a response, and then Congress decides. There is no provision for submitting again after said decision. Sure, he can do so, but Congress would have no reason to have to respond. They’ve already voted. I am unaware of any court decisions that interpret this differently. If you know of any, or even some lawyers who think the Court would decide differently, please link them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-you-think-this-whole-trump-thing-is-going-to-end/778525.md?page=5)