# How does Milo Yiannopoulos exist, exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2016, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298 "2016-07-19T08:46:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/261 "2017-02-03T10:52:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It was relevant to the particular exchange I was having with another poster. No, it wasn’t. You do not want certain voices heard in an educational environment. It OK. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/262 "2017-02-03T11:19:13Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > No, it wasn’t. You do not want certain voices heard in an educational environment. It OK. What does that even mean? I’m fine with absolutely any topic being discussed in educational environments. I might criticize certain viewpoints, but I would strongly oppose any attempts to restrict speech in universities. This doesn’t include protesting peacefully, which is _more speech_, not restricting speech. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/263 "2017-02-03T11:22:08Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > No, it is more correct to say that I am a big fan of self defense. > > It is groups like the antifa thugs and the black clad cowards that are the violent animals. Crush their babies! Eat their skulls! KILL! I’m with you, man. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/264 "2017-02-03T13:36:38Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > You don’t have to agree with me. > > That is my own ranking. > > You are welcome to make your own ranking and put whoever you want on your list. > > I also believe that he is mocking all of the right groups and people that should be mocked, as they are the ones who are terrible people. He outed and harassed a transgender student at uw Milwaukee. He used his position on stage to attack her, and since he had pictures, it was obviously planned. That’s mocking “all the right groups”? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/265 "2017-02-03T14:30:10Z")
Yeah man. Alan Turing was the father of modern computing, Harvey Milk made huge strides towards ending anti-LGBT discrimination, and Milo Yiannopolous harasses and bullies powerless minorities while running the classic underdog con. Clearly, a storied echelon, with absolutely nobody out of place. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/266 "2017-02-03T14:37:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Crush their babies! Eat their skulls! KILL! > > I’m with you, man. Keep trolling, trolling, trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/267 "2017-02-03T14:43:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Still waiting for your cite that the violent offenders in this instance were campus Democrats. This is The Pit. Q: Can we call Out-And-Out LIARS (ex. Octopus) out on their statements? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/268 "2017-02-03T15:32:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What does that even mean? I’m fine with absolutely any topic being discussed in educational environments. I might criticize certain viewpoints, but I would strongly oppose any attempts to restrict speech in universities. This doesn’t include protesting peacefully, which is _more speech_, not restricting speech. It means that you explicitly stated upthread that speakers you label as racist should not be invited to speak. How much clearer could you have been? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/269 "2017-02-03T15:42:18Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > It means that you explicitly stated upthread that speakers you label as racist should not be invited to speak. How much clearer could you have been? Yes – in my opinion, inviting them is wrong. I would encourage people and organizations to not invite bigots to speak. This has nothing to do with my opinions on free speech, or government policy – they have the right to speak, and invite assholes to speak, just as I have the right to protest and criticize such actions and speech. Do you think they should be invited to speak? If an organization asked you “should we invite this guy to speak who has advocated for raping and torturing black children?”, what answer would you give? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/270 "2017-02-03T18:53:34Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > He outed and harassed a transgender student at uw Milwaukee. He used his position on stage to attack her, and since he had pictures, it was obviously planned. That’s mocking “all the right groups”? For SDMB haters, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/271 "2017-02-03T19:21:51Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > He outed and harassed a transgender student at uw Milwaukee. He used his position on stage to attack her, and since he had pictures, it was obviously planned. That’s mocking “all the right groups”? He has a history of singling out people for harassment by his fans and schools that allow him a venue are failing to protect their students. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/272 "2017-02-03T19:55:52Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > It means that you explicitly stated upthread that speakers you label as racist should not be invited to speak. How much clearer could you have been? I would also extend the same fig leaf to young earth creationists, flat earthers, and bigoted trolls whose sole value is “pissing off the right people”, where in this case the “right people” are whoever they don’t particularly like at any given moment (usually disaffected minorities). Just because we have an open marketplace of ideas does not mean that we shouldn’t expect a place of higher learning to sort out ideas that are just demonstrably bad. It’s like complaining that Toys-R-Us won’t run your jizz-soaked teddy bears. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/273 "2017-02-03T20:09:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes – in my opinion, inviting them is wrong. I would encourage people and organizations to not invite bigots to speak. This has nothing to do with my opinions on free speech, or government policy – they have the right to speak, and invite assholes to speak, just as I have the right to protest and criticize such actions and speech. > > Do you think they should be invited to speak? If an organization asked you “should we invite this guy to speak who has advocated for raping and torturing black children?”, what answer would you give? You miss the point of university. It’d not who should speak or whose opinion is the most correct. Its about hearing all voices and making judgments based on primary sources. Don’t be afraid. Most people are sensible and see through bullshit. Most people hate bring condescended to. So, if you think your worldview is better or more just then hearing contrary views in an educational setting than why worry? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/274 "2017-02-03T20:14:24Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I would also extend the same fig leaf to young earth creationists, flat earthers, and bigoted trolls whose sole value is “pissing off the right people”, where in this case the “right people” are whoever they don’t particularly like at any given moment (usually disaffected minorities). > > Just because we have an open marketplace of ideas does not mean that we shouldn’t expect a place of higher learning to sort out ideas that are just demonstrably bad. It’s like complaining that Toys-R-Us won’t run your jizz-soaked teddy bears. If their ideas are bad, then let them express them directly. Why are you afraid of ideas you disagree with? Why do you want to deny them a forum? How authoritarian of you. Stupid ideas are stupid. They will not sway the masses. Silencing them however… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/275 "2017-02-03T20:23:01Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > If their ideas are bad, then let them express them directly. Why are you afraid of ideas you disagree with? Why do you want to deny them a forum? How authoritarian of you. Stupid ideas are stupid. They will not sway the masses. Silencing them however… As this guy does research ahead of time, and has outed and harassed students at the universities that he has spoken at, it does seem it is more than just a matter of hearing him out. He is a provocateur, an inciter. If a speaker went to a university, and called for all those in attendance to break out into a riot and burn the school down, and they did so, and then a group at your university wanted to invite him, would you be okay with that? I am not saying he is quite as bad as all that, in that he is not going to incite a riot to burn the place down, but he does intentionally cause more problems than just being controversial. Stupid ideas are stupid, but they may still sway the stupid into doing something stupid. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/276 "2017-02-03T20:27:21Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > As this guy does research ahead of time, and has outed and harassed students at the universities that he has spoken at, it does seem it is more than just a matter of hearing him out. He is a provocateur, an inciter. > > If a speaker went to a university, and called for all those in attendance to break out into a riot and burn the school down, and they did so, and then a group at your university wanted to invite him, would you be okay with that? > > I am not saying he is quite as bad as all that, in that he is not going to incite a riot to burn the place down, but he does intentionally cause more problems than just being controversial. > > Stupid ideas are stupid, but they may still sway the stupid into doing something stupid. I hate the Greek twit but silencing him only makes him do much more powerful. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/277 "2017-02-03T20:28:01Z")
Freedom of speech only allows you to speak. It doesn’t guarantee you a particular audience. Nor does it give you the right to go anywhere you please. Of course a college can say you’re not allowed on their campus. Sure, there is freedom of assembly. But that is only in places where you are allowed to be. Sure, a college can be public property, but you don’t get the inherent right to assemble there any more than you do at a public elementary school. You need to be enrolled there. This isn’t my typical “the way things should be,” either. I have my own ideas on what “freedom of speech” should mean. But this is just the way things are. Colleges can very well refuse speakers, and it does not infringe on their freedom of speech. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/278 "2017-02-03T20:28:26Z")
So much more… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/279 "2017-02-03T20:35:17Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I hate the Greek twit but silencing him only makes him do much more powerful. Knee jerk reacting in the way that has been reported at campuses he has visited, I will agree give him more visibility than he would have otherwise. Universities sensibly denying a groups request to invite him to speak at a public venue does not. Like I said earlier in the thread, the best protest is either to not show up to his event, or to show up, but refuse to face the stage. An empty house, or a packed house, and all he gets to see is everyone’s back. That’ll get old quickly for him. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/280 "2017-02-03T20:58:47Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > This is The Pit. > > Q: Can we call Out-And-Out LIARS (ex. Octopus) out on their statements? Say what you wish. Just make sure to randomly make some text small. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=15)