# How does Milo Yiannopoulos exist, exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2016, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298 "2016-07-19T08:46:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/501 "2017-02-22T18:10:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Here’s the full first quote: > > She didn’t advocate for anything in this paragraph. She reported what happened, including the position of the protesters. There was no advocacy from the writer in this paragraph. You misread it or are deliberately mischaracterizing it. > > I disagree with her “arguably deserved” aside from the second quote. Such asides, even if they aren’t meant seriously, should probably be avoided due to the extreme fragility of so many (not all!) Trump supporters and conservatives right now. These special snowflakes can only handle so much negative language. I don’t see how _“students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away.”_ is anything but an endorsement of violence, unless your dictionary has some novel definition for “entitled”. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/502 "2017-02-22T18:11:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > I’m going to get roasted for this as well, but there’s a peculiar bit of hypocrisy that always seems to escape comment. As unseemly as the Yiannopoulos/Jones affair was, Milo never explicitly sicced his followers on Leslie Jones. Yeah, he made fun of her. Yeah, he re-tweeted obviously fake tweets that purported to be from her but weren’t. But he never actually told anyone to attack Leslie Jones. He never actually said _“Hey everybody, let’s go rip on Leslie Jones”_. Despite this, everyone seems to think that he did. For millions of people, the only thing they know about Milo is _“He led a hate mob against Leslie Jones!!”_, even though he didn’t - at least, not explicitly. > > Lesley Jones, however, actually _did_ explicitly sic her followers onto somebody. What I mean by that is she actually said _“Hey everybody! Go get this bitch!”_. Leslie Jones literally commanded her audience of hundreds of thousands to attack some random internet troll with about 40 followers. That’s literally an actual thing that she did. > > Just something to remember the next time someone uses the Leslie Jones affair to pretend Milo is literally Hitler or whatever. If you blow up a dam, you don’t get to say that “_I didn’t cause all that damage, the water did_”. Milo most certainly did blow up the dam. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/503 "2017-02-22T18:11:55Z")
Dude’s a Twat. He’s a troll that screams “Free Speech” after every terrible thing he says. Just because you CAN say something, doesn’t mean you SHOULD. I don’t agree with the campuses not letting him speak, but I’m so glad he’s had this recent misfortune of his. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/504 "2017-02-22T18:13:23Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I don’t see how _“students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away.”_ is anything but an endorsement of violence, unless your dictionary has some novel definition for “entitled”. Because you keep leaving out the full sentence, for some reason. Here it is again: > [@](#): > > They are marching to say that free speech does not extend to hate speech, that the First Amendment should not oblige institutions to invite professional trolls to spout an auto-generated word-salad of Internet bigotry just for fun, and that, if the institutions disagree, students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away. _They are marching to say_ [snip] students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things… She’s reporting what these protesters believe. She didn’t endorse it. This was clear to me the first time I read it. Are you deliberately misreading it and leaving off the full sentence, or is this an accident? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/505 "2017-02-22T18:14:08Z")
[ > [@](#): > > Milo Yiannopoulos has a secret he’s spent his whole life trying to conceal. It’s not his recently uncovered defense of child abuse—a video where he dismisses the “arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent”—which is now rapidly destroying his career, leading to his resignation from Breitbart and the cancelation of both his keynote speech at the conservative CPAC conference and his book with Simon & Schuster. It’s not his terrible book of poetry (some lines, from a poem titled “Psychosis Manifest”: “My suffering / enables the serpent”). > > No: Milo’s secret is that he’s one of the most boring people on the planet. > > He spends every waking second trying to hide this fact. It’s why an adult man who used to dress exactly like the awkward tech journalist he was now swans around in costumes ranging from “Poochie the dog” to “scene-filler from Triumph of the Will.” It’s why, like every other failed reactionary loser to get bored of these pissy British islands, he went off to seek fame in America, where people confuse our accents for wit and our humdrum sex lives for personality. It’s why he won’t stop running up and down in front of the world, screaming “look at me!” He needs to keep it up forever, because as soon as he stops, people will realize there’s nothing to see. ]([The Sad Truth About Milo Yiannopoulos](https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-sad-truth-about-milo-yiannopoulos))I thought this was an excellent essay because it gets right to the heart of the matter and because I think this applies to so many people on the right: Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/506 "2017-02-22T18:16:40Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > You should attribute quotes properly in order to avoid similar confusion in future. > > Well, you’re wrong. I just omitted an ellipsis. And I didn’t change it’s meaning. If you had originally said something like “I needed a ride to the post office and you got me there. Thanks for giving me a ride, **The Tooth**!” then I would have been changing the meaning of your post. But that’s not what you posted. What you posted was an admission that I had correctly identified your argument as lacking merit. I left everything else out because it was not relevant. Sorry for missing the ellipsis, I’m sure with therapy you’ll recover. I properly attributed the origin of the quoted text. You may pretend not to understand that by chopping up a sarcastic comment you deliberately changed its meaning, but you are just compounding your dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/507 "2017-02-22T18:17:28Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I don’t see how _“students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away.”_ is anything but an endorsement of violence, unless your dictionary has some novel definition for “entitled”. You’ve already had it explained to you once [ETA: twice] how your selective quoting misattributes the quoted statement. But since you seem to need it explained again, here’s the full context: > [@](#): > > They are marching to say that free speech does not extend to hate speech, that the First Amendment should not oblige institutions to invite professional trolls to spout an auto-generated word-salad of Internet bigotry just for fun, and that, if the institutions disagree, students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because you keep leaving out the full sentence, for some reason. I was about to explain it to **Ale** all over again; thanks for saving me the trouble. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/508 "2017-02-22T18:17:28Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I don’t see how _“students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away.”_ is anything but an endorsement of violence, unless your dictionary has some novel definition for “entitled”. If you tried reading for context, you would see that she was summing up the student’s position, not advocating it. If you keep pulling quotes out of context, then you will keep being confused. That’s a rough way to go through life, man. You are getting triggered on stuff that you don’t even understand. Context Ninja’d ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/509 "2017-02-22T18:29:34Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Well, you’re wrong. I just omitted an ellipsis. And I didn’t change it’s meaning. He meant it sarcastically. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/510 "2017-02-22T18:39:24Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Harper rings a bell, buy Nyberg I remember; she is a self professed, honest to goodness pedophile (you may search for her leaked chat logs). I’ll let the irony of that name being thrown into the rink sink in. Yeah. No. That bit is straight from the gamergate narrative and is bullshit. The very fact that you described the logs as “leaked” (they were stolen). Nyberg is Not a pedophile. Milo tried to paint her as one. He convinced the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/511 "2017-02-22T18:41:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because you keep leaving out the full sentence, for some reason. Here it is again: > > _They are marching to say_ [snip] students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things… > > She’s reporting what these protesters believe. She didn’t endorse it. This was clear to me the first time I read it. Are you deliberately misreading it and leaving off the full sentence, or is this an accident? Obviously we read it differently, I don’t think she is as much reporting things as she is injecting her own thoughts into the events, in any case in the next paragraph she makes it quite clear that she thinks the violence was justified. If you want context here it is in full: \*"Rewind two weeks. It’s a wet night in Berkeley, California, and Yiannopoulos is running away from the left. He was scheduled to speak at the University of California–Berkeley, but the event has been shut down. It was shut down because thousands of anti-racist and anti-fascist protesters decided that there should be no platform for what they called white supremacy. They are marching to say that free speech does not extend to hate speech, that the First Amendment should not oblige institutions to invite professional trolls to spout an auto-generated word-salad of Internet bigotry just for fun, and that, if the institutions disagree, students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away. Which is exactly what has happened. Five minutes after I arrive on campus, klaxons are blaring in the event space and the entire team on his “Dangerous Faggot Tour” has been obliged to make what might generously be termed a tactical retreat. Police in full riot gear are everywhere, and the whole place is evacuated because of the real possibility of everyone inside getting a serious — and arguably deserved — kicking. Whatever the rights and wrongs of punching fascists, if people of good faith and conscience are publicly debating whether or not you deserve a smack in the mouth, it’s probably time to have a think about your life."\* As I say, my reading of it seems to be different from yours, in full context I think I am correct; she advocates for violence, in the first paragraph she “reports” the thoughts of the rioters, in the second she outright says that the threat to Yianopoulos and his entourage safety is justified. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/512 "2017-02-22T18:47:04Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > As I say, my reading of it seems to be different from yours, in full context I think I am correct; she advocates for violence No. She is saying that it is **debatable** , or **arguable** , whether the “fascists” **deserve** violent treatment. I think that is a pointless and inflammatory diversion, because the key issue is that nonviolent protest is in the long run the only kind that’s really effective (not to mention legal), irrespective of what the targets of the protest may or may not “deserve”. But nonetheless, it’s not the same as actually advocating for violence. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/513 "2017-02-22T18:47:16Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Obviously we read it differently, I don’t think she is as much reporting things as she is injecting her own thoughts into the events, in any case in the next paragraph she makes it quite clear that she thinks the violence was justified. > > If you want context here it is in full: > > \*"Rewind two weeks. It’s a wet night in Berkeley, California, and Yiannopoulos is running away from the left. He was scheduled to speak at the University of California–Berkeley, but the event has been shut down. It was shut down because thousands of anti-racist and anti-fascist protesters decided that there should be no platform for what they called white supremacy. They are marching to say that free speech does not extend to hate speech, that the First Amendment should not oblige institutions to invite professional trolls to spout an auto-generated word-salad of Internet bigotry just for fun, and that, if the institutions disagree, students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away. Which is exactly what has happened. > > Five minutes after I arrive on campus, klaxons are blaring in the event space and the entire team on his “Dangerous Faggot Tour” has been obliged to make what might generously be termed a tactical retreat. Police in full riot gear are everywhere, and the whole place is evacuated because of the real possibility of everyone inside getting a serious — and arguably deserved — kicking. Whatever the rights and wrongs of punching fascists, if people of good faith and conscience are publicly debating whether or not you deserve a smack in the mouth, it’s probably time to have a think about your life."\* > > As I say, my reading of it seems to be different from yours, in full context I think I am correct; she advocates for violence, in the first paragraph she “reports” the thoughts of the rioters, in the second she outright says that the threat to Yianopoulos and his entourage safety is justified. Are you the so-called president’s official reader? That would explain some things. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/514 "2017-02-22T18:51:33Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Obviously we read it differently, I don’t think she is as much reporting things as she is injecting her own thoughts into the events, in any case in the next paragraph she makes it quite clear that she thinks the violence was justified. > > If you want context here it is in full: > > \*"Rewind two weeks. It’s a wet night in Berkeley, California, and Yiannopoulos is running away from the left. He was scheduled to speak at the University of California–Berkeley, but the event has been shut down. It was shut down because thousands of anti-racist and anti-fascist protesters decided that there should be no platform for what they called white supremacy. They are marching to say that free speech does not extend to hate speech, that the First Amendment should not oblige institutions to invite professional trolls to spout an auto-generated word-salad of Internet bigotry just for fun, and that, if the institutions disagree, students and allies are entitled to throw fireworks and smash things until the trolls run away. Which is exactly what has happened. > > Five minutes after I arrive on campus, klaxons are blaring in the event space and the entire team on his “Dangerous Faggot Tour” has been obliged to make what might generously be termed a tactical retreat. Police in full riot gear are everywhere, and the whole place is evacuated because of the real possibility of everyone inside getting a serious — and arguably deserved — kicking. Whatever the rights and wrongs of punching fascists, if people of good faith and conscience are publicly debating whether or not you deserve a smack in the mouth, it’s probably time to have a think about your life."\* > > As I say, my reading of it seems to be different from yours, in full context I think I am correct; she advocates for violence, in the first paragraph she “reports” the thoughts of the rioters, in the second she outright says that the threat to Yianopoulos and his entourage safety is justified. In the full context, this, and your own last paragraph of this post, supports that she was reporting the beliefs of the protesters. The “arguably deserved” aside was silly and she should have left it out, but it doesn’t change the fact that she was reporting, entirely accurately, the beliefs of the protesters who turned violent in the prior paragraph. This is also entirely different than your previous defense which only focused on the snipped part of the sentence starting with “entitled”. Either you were totally confused before or you’re not being honest. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/515 "2017-02-22T18:52:10Z")
edit: Ninja’d multiple times… Arguably deserved Arguably Meaning an argument can be made that it is deserved. That is not saying that it _is_ justified. Then she even says that if people are actually debating whether its justified to smack you, that should make you think a little bit about your life choices that got you to this point. Your claim that she outright says that the threat was justified is false. You are reading it differently by reading it wrongly. You take out the word arguably, which alters the meaning of the quote and makes it easier for you to make your case. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/516 "2017-02-22T18:56:44Z")
Holy fuck, **Ale** has been posting on the SDMB since 2003 and he’s still this fucking ignorant and stupid? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/517 "2017-02-22T19:01:39Z")
I think the article is pretty tolerant of violence, though not calling for it or defending it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/518 "2017-02-22T19:02:11Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I properly attributed the origin of the quoted text. > > You may pretend not to understand that by chopping up a sarcastic comment you deliberately changed its meaning, but you are just compounding your dishonesty. Being accused of lying twice is enough. This conversation is over. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/519 "2017-02-22T19:09:24Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Your mother is a whore and your rights should be taken away because you’re a bastard child. > > …Aw, what’s that, you don’t want to debate me on that? You really believe that? Let’s assume you do. Why should a parent’s behavior determine what rights a child has? The concept of original sin seems to be a silly superstition. Shouldn’t policy be based on rationalism and not mythology? And what’s wrong with being a whore? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because time is a finite resource. There are an almost unlimited amount of bigots and crazy people out there; debating the vast majority is a total waste of time. Then don’t engage. I still don’t think any topics are too taboo to debate and those doing the debating shouldn’t be demonized by the low IQ or the dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/520 "2017-02-22T19:13:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Then don’t engage. I still don’t think any topics are too taboo to debate and those doing the debating shouldn’t be demonized by the low IQ or the dishonest. I don’t know what “too taboo to debate” means, exactly, but I am totally fine with anyone advocating for discrimination, oppression, violence, genocide, and the like, being “demonized”, if “demonized” means harshly criticized, challenged, mocked, and insulted. Do you really believe it’s wrong to “demonize” David Duke for the things he’s said and continues to say? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=27)