# How does Milo Yiannopoulos exist, exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2016, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298 "2016-07-19T08:46:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/521 "2017-02-22T19:41:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I still don’t think any topics are too taboo to debate and those doing the debating shouldn’t be demonized by the low IQ or the dishonest. Your posts make me laugh out loud. I woke up the cat. Well, one of them. The deaf cat slept through it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/522 "2017-02-22T19:42:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t know what “too taboo to debate” means, exactly, but I am totally fine with anyone advocating for discrimination, oppression, violence, genocide, and the like, being “demonized”, if “demonized” means harshly criticized, challenged, mocked, and insulted. Do you really believe it’s wrong to “demonize” David Duke for the things he’s said and continues to say? Use whatever tactics you wish. I ignore David Duke. If I was sitting across from him at a debate, even though it’s obvious I’m far from a professional, I wouldn’t get angry or name call. Why do you think Bill Maher had Milo on? Why do you think Bill called his liberal audience, in essence, idiots? Because Bill is smart. He realizes in the arena of ideas that the person you are debating isn’t your audience. It’s a convenient foil to exploit in public. Bill calls the loony, hysterical left idiots because they are getting played by a provocateur. So Bill futilely attempts to educate his audience by being calm and employing reason while talking with Milo. It’s interesting to watch the dynamic. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/523 "2017-02-22T19:43:12Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Dude’s a Twat. He’s a troll that screams “Free Speech” after every terrible thing he says. Just because you CAN say something, doesn’t mean you SHOULD. > > I don’t agree with the campuses not letting him speak, but I’m so glad he’s had this recent misfortune of his. I should point out that campuses would ban him from speaking because he would endanger students lives. Pretty sure free speech obligations hit a limit there, somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/524 "2017-02-22T19:46:59Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > I should point out that campuses would ban him from speaking because he would endanger students lives. Pretty sure free speech obligations hit a limit there, somewhere. How does he endanger their lives? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/525 "2017-02-22T19:50:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How does he endanger their lives? Wilful provocation. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature listening to Milo’s shite is likely to consider ending him for the greater good, and the troll is usually surrounded by people with guns. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/526 "2017-02-22T19:58:26Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Wilful provocation. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature listening to Milo’s shite is likely to consider ending him for the greater good, and the troll is usually surrounded by people with guns. That’s pure nonsense. You should be ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/527 "2017-02-22T19:59:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I still don’t think any topics are too taboo to debate and those doing the debating shouldn’t be demonized by the low IQ or the dishonest. Which are you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/528 "2017-02-22T20:00:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Use whatever tactics you wish. I ignore David Duke. If I was sitting across from him at a debate, even though it’s obvious I’m far from a professional, I wouldn’t get angry or name call. Why do you think Bill Maher had Milo on? Why do you think Bill called his liberal audience, in essence, idiots? > > Because Bill is smart. He realizes in the arena of ideas that the person you are debating isn’t your audience. It’s a convenient foil to exploit in public. Bill calls the loony, hysterical left idiots because they are getting played by a provocateur. > > So Bill futilely attempts to educate his audience by being calm and employing reason while talking with Milo. It’s interesting to watch the dynamic. Bill is smart, and also an arrogant narcissistic fool on some issues. This is one of them. He’s even trying to take credit for Milo’s downfall, which is utterly ridiculous. If I had a show, I wouldn’t book a spreader-of-bigotry like Duke or Milo… but if I did, I’d challenge them harshly and strongly. I’d mock their idiocy. I’d demonstrate their stupidity and hatefulness to the world. Bill should have done that. Instead, he played pussyfoot with the bigot, barely disagreeing on anything and offering cover that his positions were reasonable. You still didn’t answer my question – do you think it’d be wrong to “demonize” David Duke for the horrible things he’s said? You might choose another tactic… but do you think my tactic, of harshly challenging and criticizing, along with mocking his hateful idiocy, is wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/529 "2017-02-22T20:05:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How does he endanger their lives? Well, for example, by attracting armed supporters who [shoot nonviolent protestors in the stomach](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-milo-yiannopoulos-speech-seattle-charges), resulting in prolonged hospitalization and multiple surgeries. That’s pretty endangering. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/530 "2017-02-22T20:08:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Bill calls the loony, hysterical left idiots because they are getting played by a provocateur. I repeat to you what I already said, twice, to **Rick Sanchez** who likewise seems to be steadfastly ignoring this key issue: > [@Kimstu](#): > > Once again, you’re blaming liberals for boosting Yiannopoulos’s signal by **denouncing** him, while you completely ignore the deliberate complicity of conservatives in boosting Yiannopoulos’s signal by **publicizing, promoting,** and **paying** him. > > Some liberals may have been unwise or unprincipled in how they chose to oppose Yiannopoulos, but that pales in comparison to the foolishness and lack of principle of the conservatives who chose to support him. When conservatives fall all over themselves to give money and attention and legitimacy to a hateful douchebag just because they enjoy seeing liberals get upset about his hateful douchebaggery, it’s not the liberals who really end up looking like idiots there. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/531 "2017-02-22T20:08:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, for example, by attracting armed supporters who [shoot nonviolent protestors in the stomach](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-milo-yiannopoulos-speech-seattle-charges), resulting in prolonged hospitalization and multiple surgeries. That’s pretty endangering. Violent protesters receive violence? Seems like karma. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bill is smart, and also an arrogant narcissistic fool on some issues. This is one of them. He’s even trying to take credit for Milo’s downfall, which is utterly ridiculous. > > If I had a show, I wouldn’t book a spreader-of-bigotry like Duke or Milo… but if I did, I’d challenge them harshly and strongly. I’d mock their idiocy. I’d demonstrate their stupidity and hatefulness to the world. > > Bill should have done that. Instead, he played pussyfoot with the bigot, barely disagreeing on anything and offering cover that his positions were reasonable. > > You still didn’t answer my question – do you think it’d be wrong to “demonize” David Duke for the horrible things he’s said? You might choose another tactic… but do you think my tactic, of harshly challenging and criticizing, along with mocking his hateful idiocy, is wrong? Is it wrong? No. Is it wise? Depends on the manner. If you look stupid and hysterical in your presentation I don’t think it’s effective. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/532 "2017-02-22T20:10:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How does he endanger their lives? Outing trans students to an audience and riling them up against said students. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/533 "2017-02-22T20:11:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Violent protesters receive violence? Seems like karma. 😕 Can you read? I wrote “nonviolent protestor” there, plain as day. In what way do you think it is any kind of justifiable “karma” for a **NON** violent protestor at a Yiannopoulos speech to be shot in the stomach by an armed Yiannopoulos fan? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/534 "2017-02-22T20:11:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I repeat to you what I already said, twice, to **Rick Sanchez** who likewise seems to be steadfastly ignoring this key issue: As I’m telling iiandyiiii looking ridiculous provides entertainment for many. Who doesn’t like a circus? You are living in a world where Trump is president. People need to start looking at the multiple layers of communication seriously. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/535 "2017-02-22T20:14:44Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Can you read? I wrote “nonviolent protestor” there, plain as day. > > In what way do you think it is any kind of justifiable “karma” for a **NON** violent protestor at a Yiannopoulos speech to be shot in the stomach by an armed Yiannopoulos fan? After several violent protests at Milo’s speeches it’s not surprising that people are ready to defend themselves. And if violence is employed to prevent someone from speaking why shouldn’t violence be used to ensure that he can? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/536 "2017-02-22T20:15:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Violent protesters receive violence? Seems like karma. > . Uh…kimtsu said nonviolent. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/537 "2017-02-22T20:16:56Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > After several violent protests at Milo’s speeches it’s not surprising that people are ready to defend themselves. And if violence is employed to prevent someone from speaking why shouldn’t violence be used to ensure that he can? Didn’t think it would be this easy to get **octopus** to defend violence against speech. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/538 "2017-02-22T20:19:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Is it wrong? No. Is it wise? Depends on the manner. If you look stupid and hysterical in your presentation I don’t think it’s effective. Then when you said “those doing the debating shouldn’t be demonized…” you meant this in a tactical way rather than as a matter of rights or speech, I guess? As for its effectiveness, when done well (like when David Duke was shown for the fool he was when he went on Tim Russert’s show), it’s incredibly effective. Maybe Bill Maher wasn’t up for it… if so, he shouldn’t have booked him. IMO, Bill Maher’s approach (and I’m a fan of his show) was enabling bigotry in this instance. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/539 "2017-02-22T20:28:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > After several violent protests at Milo’s speeches it’s not surprising that people are ready to defend themselves. And if violence is employed to prevent someone from speaking why shouldn’t violence be used to ensure that he can? So, by this logic, since right-wing extremists are the most violent political group in the US, it’s OK to shoot a non-violent right-wing protester? Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/540 "2017-02-22T20:30:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Here’s the full first quote: > > She didn’t advocate for anything in this paragraph. She reported what happened, including the position of the protesters. There was no advocacy from the writer in this paragraph. You misread it or are deliberately mischaracterizing it. > > I disagree with her “arguably deserved” aside from the second quote. Such asides, even if they aren’t meant seriously, should probably be avoided due to the extreme fragility of so many (not all!) Trump supporters and conservatives right now. These special snowflakes can only handle so much negative language. Wow, I just wanted to say that was seriously deceptive selective quoting from that paragraph. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=28)