# How does Milo Yiannopoulos exist, exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 19, 2016, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298 "2016-07-19T08:46:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/41 "2016-07-19T21:12:01Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The fact that all of those things negatively impact a woman’s earning power are examples of sexism in the work force. When men take their fair share of time off for childcare and suffer the same impacts from trying to juggle work and family, the wage gap would decrease. They’re examples of different choices leading to different outcomes. That’s not sexism. > [@Merneith](#): > > The wage gap reflects the way that men dump the burden of daily life onto womens’ shoulders and also how society rewards the men for doing so. Assertion not supported by evidence. You could just as easily say that society rewards women by allowing them time to raise their newborn children while dad has to sit in his cubicle all day. > [@Merneith](#): > > That’s one of the big reasons that so many “family values” assholes and just sexist assholes, like Milo, are against extended family care for men and women both. They want to reinforce society norms that let them shift the burden of family life to the women. Cite that Yiannopoulos opposes extended family care for men and women both because he wants to reinforce society norms that let them shift the burden of family life to women. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/42 "2016-07-19T21:18:59Z")
> [@Mr. Miskatonic](#): > > And when things even out they still find a gap. My link showed as much. Yeah. _A_ gap. Not a massive 78 cents on the dollar gap, which is Milo’s point. > [@Mr Miskatonic](#): > > Because you seem to be singing the praises with a psychopath discguised as a reporter and you love him because he sometimes annoys a group you are not fond of. I don’t love him. I occasionally find him amusing, even though we disagree on about 95% of everything. I especially find it amusing when whiny SJW crybabies freak out disrupt his lectures by acting like lunatics because they’re “triggered” by what he has to say. You’re just interpreting my defence of _some_ of his claims as “singing his praises” because you’ve already decided you hate him and, as such, you can’t stomach the possibility that he might not always be wrong. > [@](#): > > This is like praising a crazy guy in your neighborhood who shits on everyone’s lawns but you sing his praises because he sometimes shits on the lawn of that neighbor you don’t like (who is also upwind). Depending on how much I dislike my neighbour, I would, indeed, find that quite amusing as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/43 "2016-07-19T21:32:05Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > I don’t love him. I occasionally find him amusing, even though we disagree on about 95% of everything. I especially find it amusing when whiny SJW crybabies freak out disrupt his lectures by acting like lunatics because they’re “triggered” by what he has to say. You’re just interpreting my defence of _some_ of his claims as “singing his praises” because you’ve already decided you hate him and, as such, you can’t stomach the possibility that he might not always be wrong. I’m sure he is right about a lot of things. I am willing to bet he knows much more accurately what he had for breakfast than me or any ‘SJW’. Doesn’t matter. The man is an insult to journalism and violates some of its most basic ethical tenets. This from a guy who manage to aquire the adoration of a group that claims to want more journalistic ethics. He writes horrific hit pieces on people he decides he doesn’t like. His sources are demonstratively poor (including Encyclopedia Dramatica). Your praise of him ‘annoying the SJWs’ is a classic example of cruel conservative humor, using that as a mode of praise reminds of how so many Republicans were saying they how much they liked Trump because they thought he annoyed liberals, then woke up to found the GOP collectively shit the bed. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/44 "2016-07-19T21:34:59Z")
“Yay, he hates people who are tired of and are fighting against casual mistreatment that leads to self hatred and worse! Hooray for him for standing up for my right to be racist and sexist without anyone calling me out on it! That completely makes up for anything else he says and does!” ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/45 "2016-07-19T21:38:55Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > “Yay, he hates people who are tired of and are fighting against casual mistreatment that leads to self hatred and worse! Hooray for him for standing up for my right to be racist and sexist without anyone calling me out on it! That completely makes up for anything else he says and does!” What on Earth are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/46 "2016-07-19T21:44:34Z")
Just that I find complaining about “SJWs” tiresome, and that I think it says a lot more about the people doing the complaining than anyone they complain about, and that I hear a lot of “he pisses off the libtards, so he MUST be an okay dude and that excuses a lot of what he says and does” from conservatives all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/47 "2016-07-19T21:53:08Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Just that I find complaining about “SJWs” tiresome I find complaining about SJWs tiresome, too. Unfortunately, they keep giving us stuff to complain about. > [@Leaper](#): > > and that I think it says a lot more about the people doing the complaining than anyone they complain about. Doesn’t that presume their complaints are baseless? > [@Leaper](#): > > I hear a lot of “he pisses off the libtards, so he MUST be an okay dude and that excuses a lot of what he says and does” from conservatives all the time. I would never conflate SJWs with liberals. In fact, one of the things that’s so objectionable about them is how illiberal they are. It amuses me when Yiannopoulos makes them flip out, but that doesn’t mean I think he’s a good guy. As I said, he and I are pretty much polar opposites politically. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/48 "2016-07-19T21:57:54Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Doesn’t that presume their complaints are baseless? Why, yes, it does. At the least, I find so many of the responses to so-called SJWs to be so out of proportion to the “offense” that I find myself skeptical of even the occasional story that DOES appear to paint “SJWs” in a bad light. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/49 "2016-07-19T21:58:53Z")
Can we at least agree that Milo is a rat fuck thief who reneges on paying his staff, despite repeated promises to do so? > **[The Kernel to close as debts stay unpaid](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/mar/05/kernel-close-debts-unpaid-sentinel-media)** > > Sentinel Media, parent company of London startup blog, says it is unable to cover payment ordered by employment tribunal. By Charles Arthur ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/50 "2016-07-19T22:40:01Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > I think Milo Yiannopoulos exists because he gets under the skin of SJWs, and everyone loves to hate those little twerps. …thanks for using the phrase “SJW” completely unironically. That usually a key indicator that you’ve swallowed the crazy pills and that anything you say in regards to women and feminism can be safely ignored. Milo didn’t just “get under the skin” of the so-called “SJW’s.” He contributed to the harassment of hundreds of people and does his share of harassing himself. Leslie Jones got driven off twitter last night by the sexist racist hordes that follow this dweeb. Please don’t come here and defend that shit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/51 "2016-07-19T22:42:46Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The fact that all of those things negatively impact a woman’s earning power are examples of sexism in the work force. When men take their fair share of time off for childcare and suffer the same impacts from trying to juggle work and family, the wage gap would decrease. > > The wage gap is not primarily about sexists deciding that women are worth less - although it would foolish to insist that sexism never exists. The wage gap reflects the way that men dump the burden of daily life onto womens’ shoulders and also how society rewards the men for doing so. > > That’s one of the big reasons that so many “family values” assholes and just sexist assholes, like Milo, are against extended family care for men and women both. They want to reinforce society norms that let them shift the burden of family life to the women. Yep. Job choice and experience having an impact on earning is sexism perpetuated by the patriarchy! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/52 "2016-07-19T22:56:35Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yep. Job choice and experience having an impact on earning is sexism perpetuated by the patriarchy! No, but many of the factors that cause the wage gap might be due in some fashion to various forms is cultural, societal, institutional and systemic biases. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/53 "2016-07-19T22:57:00Z")
Which is why there should be mandatory paid maternity leave, like practically every other first world country. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/54 "2016-07-19T22:59:44Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > …thanks for using the phrase “SJW” completely unironically. That usually a key indicator that you’ve swallowed the crazy pills and that anything you say in regards to women and feminism can be safely ignored. Why? > [@Banquet Bear](#): > > Milo didn’t just “get under the skin” of the so-called “SJW’s.” He contributed to the harassment of hundreds of people and does his share of harassing himself. Could you define “harassing”, here? > [@Banquet Bear](#): > > Leslie Jones got driven off twitter last night by the sexist racist hordes that follow this dweeb. Please don’t come here and defend that shit. Yiannopoulos (I’m just going to call him MY from now on) isn’t responsible for the actions of the people who follow him on Twitter. He hasn’t encouraged anyone to harass Leslie Jones, and neither he or I would defend that harassment. I’m just trying to explain what I think drives MY’s appeal. Fact is, there’s a growing number of people who think [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIpkdusnIkE) is an appropriate way to respond to arguments they find “offensive”. MY stands up to cry-bullies like that, and a lot of people like that about him. That they like that about him doesn’t necessarily imply they like anything else about him, although they might to greater or lesser degrees. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/55 "2016-07-19T23:02:49Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Milo is also a “poet”. Chris Kluwe did a live tweet with photos from one of Milo’s book of collected works: > > [https://storify.com/athenahollow/chris-kluwe-and](https://storify.com/athenahollow/chris-kluwe-and) In fairness to MY’s critics, that is some of the worst poetry I’ve ever seen. It’s like it was ghost-written by a Vogon. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/56 "2016-07-19T23:12:30Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Why? …because it means that you actually believe that the mythical SJW actually exists. > [@](#): > > Could you define “harassing”, here? Bullshit like this. [https://storify.com/freebsdgirl/a-lesson-in-dogpiling](https://storify.com/freebsdgirl/a-lesson-in-dogpiling) > **[Harping On: The Hypocrisy and Lies of Twitter's Most Notorious 'Anti-Abuse'...](https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2015/06/29/harping-on-the-hypocrisy-and-lies-of-twitters-most-notorious-anti-abuse-activist-randi-harper-part-1/)** > > These are the words of Randi Harper, an activist who runs a charity set up to prevent online abuse. Yes, you read that correctly. > [@](#): > > Yiannopoulos (I’m just going to call him MY from now on) isn’t responsible for the actions of the people who follow him on Twitter. He hasn’t encouraged anyone to harass Leslie Jones, and neither he or I would defend that harassment. Where did I say he was responsible? Please feel free to point that out. > [@](#): > > I’m just trying to explain what I think drives MY’s appeal. Fact is, there’s a growing number of people who think [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIpkdusnIkE) is an appropriate way to respond to arguments they find “offensive”. MY stands up to cry-bullies like that, and a lot of people like that about him. That they like that about him doesn’t necessarily imply they like anything else about him, although they might to greater or lesser degrees. As I’ve said: you’ve outed yourself. What the fuck do you think a five second youtube clip is supposed to demonstrate? Is she a SJW? How do you know? It was fucking five seconds video clip. And that wasn’t fucking bullying. If I was in the audience with Crowder, Hoff and Milo on stage I would have gone a bit bonkers myself. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/57 "2016-07-19T23:21:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why don’t you stop using the word \*communist \* until you learn what it means? There are a lot of words Derek doesn’t know the meaning of. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/58 "2016-07-19T23:32:12Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > …because it means that you actually believe that the mythical SJW actually exists. Here’s a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0) of a group of “mythical” SJW’s turning into complete social and psychological invalids because someone sent out an e-mail about Halloween costumes that they didn’t like. I could spend all night digging up examples, but I think it’ll be more effective if I drip-feed them. A billion more available on request. > [@Banquet Bear](#): > > Bullshit like this. > > [https://storify.com/freebsdgirl/a-lesson-in-dogpiling](https://storify.com/freebsdgirl/a-lesson-in-dogpiling) > > [http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...harper-part-1/](http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...harper-part-1/) Randi Harper, according to your own links and by your own definitions as I understand them, is a serial harasser. I’m not going to be crying salty tears into my morning coffee because Milo decided to give her a taste of her own medicine. The least I can say about her, based on the evidence _you_ have presented, is that if Milo is an internet villain, so is she. > [@Banquet Bear](#): > > Where did I say he was responsible [for internet harassment of Leslie Jones]? Please feel free to point that out. You said: _“Milo didn’t just “get under the skin” of the so-called “SJW’s.” He contributed to the harassment of hundreds of people and does his share of harassing himself. Leslie Jones got driven off twitter last night by the sexist racist hordes that follow this dweeb.”_ You left open the clear implication that Milo somehow encouraged his followers to harass Leslie Jones. This is completely untrue. I was just pointing that out in case any readers got the wrong idea. > [@Banquet Bear](#): > > As I’ve said: you’ve outed yourself. What the fuck do you think a five second youtube clip is supposed to demonstrate? Is she a SJW? How do you know? It was fucking five seconds video clip. And that wasn’t fucking bullying. Actually, as I’m sure you already know it wasn’t “fucking five seconds”. It was [an hour and fifteen minutes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffOPImz4Rp0) of relentless, abusive heckling. Most people would, I imagine, regard ceaseless and belligerent abuse of the ‘Heckler’s Veto’ (directed, incidentally, not at Milo, but at a mild-mannered female philosophy professor) as bullying. > [@Banquet Bear](#): > > If I was in the audience with Crowder, Hoff and Milo on stage I would have gone a bit bonkers myself. That doesn’t reflect well on you. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/59 "2016-07-19T23:46:31Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The fact that all of those things negatively impact a woman’s earning power are examples of sexism in the work force. When men take their fair share of time off for childcare and suffer the same impacts from trying to juggle work and family, the wage gap would decrease. > > The wage gap is not primarily about sexists deciding that women are worth less - although it would foolish to insist that sexism never exists. The wage gap reflects the way that men dump the burden of daily life onto womens’ shoulders and also how society rewards the men for doing so. > > That’s one of the big reasons that so many “family values” assholes and just sexist assholes, like Milo, are against extended family care for men and women both. They want to reinforce society norms that let them shift the burden of family life to the women. What you’re describing are choices that women make, which you apparently don’t approve of and don’t think they should be allowed to make. Men don’t “dump” childcare onto women. Men in the West do not have the power to enslave women and force them to be housewives. Lots of women _like_ taking care of their children and would rather spend time with them than in an office. Women generally have more nurturing instincts than men. (Sorry this this bit of reality conflicts with your ideology.) You can’t change this unless you’re going to have the state forcibly rip children away from their mothers and put them into daycare centers. Furthermore, men putting more time and effort into their careers is largely a burden. Most women want to marry a guy who makes equal or more than them. Men put more effort into making money partly because it improves their chances with women. You can’t change this unless you’re going to force women to date, sleep with and marry men who are unemployed or underemployed. Also, I reject the idea that earning money in and of itself is a privilege. _Spending_ money is the real privilege. Most wealthy men have wives at some point. Their wives do not have to work if they don’t want to, they have just as much access to that wealth as the men and more time to enjoy it. According to the media, women control most household spending in the US. (I admit I’m having trouble finding the original source on this.) Wealthy men also spend money on their children, 50% of whom are female, and leave them inheritances. Basically what you’re saying is that people shouldn’t be allowed to make their own choices because they often choose to live in traditional families which your ideology doesn’t approve of. You want the government to break up those families, send the women off to work and the kids off to daycare centers to be raised by strangers. By the way, do you think parental leave from work for both men and women is practical in every industry? You’re typing these messages into a computer. Will you equally pay for a computer that’s much slower than the competition because the engineers who designed it took a year off of parental leave and missed an entire generation of processor design? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298/60 "2016-07-19T23:58:03Z")
The wonderful thing about people who use “SJW” as a pejorative is that they alert the reasonable people to just what kind of people they are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-milo-yiannopoulos-exist-exactly/760298.md?page=4)