# How does one get gasoline in 2050 for your 2030 vehicle **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571 "2021-07-29T05:17:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/41 "2021-08-02T13:08:49Z")
Yeah, I agree that for the purposes of the discussion 2050 vs 2070 is not materially different as a point of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/42 "2021-08-02T14:09:17Z")
I think efficiency of around 60-80 pct for electric motors only partially mitigates the 15 pct efficiency of internal combustion engines. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/43 "2021-08-02T14:10:10Z")
Also, energy density, according to the article. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/44 "2021-08-02T14:13:56Z")
I think globally most people even lack gasoline- and diesel-powered vehicles. On top of that, it’s likely that road and other infrastructure worldwide are mostly still basic as something like 7 out of 10 human beings live on less than $10 daily, which means a lot of oil will still be needed just to industrialize more of the world, let alone move to electric vehicles for personal use. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/45 "2021-08-02T14:25:31Z")
> [@Acierocolotl](#): > > I think the answer was “with lots of warning, and then rather abruptly,” but it’s not exactly covered in history books here. In the U.S., all new cars were sold with catalytic converters (which required lead-free gas) starting with the 1975 model year. Leaded gasoline was no longer generally available for sale after 1/1/96, though, at least at that time, it was still allowed for some speciality uses (e.g., racing cars, farm equipment, etc.). So, for those who had older cars which ran on leaded gas, they had over 20 years to figure out what to do. Here’s a copy of a 1996 press release from the EPA, issued shortly after the final phase-out of leaded gas, describing the timeline. [https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa/epa-takes-final-step-phaseout-leaded-gasoline.html](https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa/epa-takes-final-step-phaseout-leaded-gasoline.html) ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/46 "2021-08-02T16:54:05Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Straight alcohol won’t get the job done. A spark-ignited engine can run on alcohol once it’s warmed up, but it won’t cold-start on alcohol in ambient temps below about 55F. This is why E85 exists: the gasoline includes components that vaporize more readily and produce a combustible mixture at low start temps. Apparently when Brazil started using primarily ethanol to fuel their cars, they solved this problem in cold parts of the country with a small tank of gasoline under the hood, and a pump the driver could activate with a button on the dash so the driver could inject gasoline into the carburetor while starting starting the car on cold days. > **[A Brief Glimpse At The Brazilian Alcohol Program - Curbside Classic](https://www.curbsideclassic.com/uncategorized/a-brief-glimpse-at-the-brazilian-alcohol-program/)** > > On the windshield of this Chevy you can read: 17-7-75, in the Brazilian way to write dates, that means July 17th, 1975. Yes, on that memorable day in my hometown \[…\] ETA: Once fuel injection became common in Brazil, all that got automated, it sounds like. ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/47 "2021-08-02T19:30:27Z")
The Son and his wife both drive electric vehicles, and they always brag on their savings with their operating costs. However, the older of the two vehicles is quickly approaching its end of battery life. The Son figures it would probably be cheaper to trade it in on a new electric vehicle and eat the depreciation rather than replace the batteries. I cannot give you make/model/year/replacement costs/etc. Sorry. I know I’m no fun. ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/48 "2021-08-02T19:49:15Z")
**How does one get gasoline in 2050 for your 2030 vehicle** It will be sold next door to the Thunderdome, duh! ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/49 "2021-11-03T10:32:14Z")
Things that go **bump** in the night. Did I mention that gearheads would figure out how to convert your 2030 vehicle to electric? Well, the future is here: > **[480-HP Ford F-100 Eluminator Concept Shows What Electric Crate Motors Can Do](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38140495/ford-f-100-eluminator-concept-revealed/)** > > The vintage electric pickup truck has the same dual-motor powertrain as the Mustang Mach-E GT Performance, and the crate motor is for sale. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/50 "2021-11-03T11:48:31Z")
so ford is full of crap when it says in 5-8 years they will no longer make gas-powered cars? I believe GM is saying the same time frame… Now we’ll see if they actually make it ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/51 "2021-11-04T13:31:09Z")
I would appreciate links to the statements that either GM or Ford will completely phase out internal combustion engines in “5-8 years”. The closest I’ve been able to find is a statement that applies only to Ford of Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/52 "2021-11-06T18:47:59Z")
I can believe that Ford will only make electric cars in 5-8 years, since they hardly make any gas powered cars now, and the Mustang-E outsold the regular Mustang last year despite supply issues. Now, trucks and SUVs are another matter. I’m not seeing an electric F-450 Super Duty any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571/53 "2021-11-07T14:55:52Z")
In the United States, yes. On other continents cars are still in production. That’s what makes any flat statement so difficult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-one-get-gasoline-in-2050-for-your-2030-vehicle/947571.md?page=2)