# How does the GOP pivot to 2024 from here? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 13, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858 "2022-11-13T16:17:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/101 "2022-11-15T22:04:18Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I see your point about beliefs versus causes. Let’s try this: > > 1. Cause: to change our government’s _de facto_ primary organizing principle to single-party right-wing racist authoritarianism. > 2. Cause: To ensure Democrats and RINOs (as determined by the RW whack-jobs) have no role in government. Again, these are beliefs not causes. Look at it this way. A belief is something a person thinks should exist. A cause is a plan for making that thing exist. How do you go from the belief that only right wingers should be allowed to hold office to a plan to make sure only right wingers hold office? If the cause is disenfranchising people, let’s face it, we don’t need a third party for that. The Republicans are on top of it. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > 1. Cause: Terminate all mutual defense treaties, withdraw from World Bank, IMF, UN, WTO, etc. Okay, this is a cause. If there was a strong streak on untapped isolationism in the country, this would be something a politicians could ride to office. But I question whether there is such a feeling out there. Sure, a lot of people may have a vague distrust of foreigners but I don’t feel it’s all that strong as a motivating force. American membership in international organizations doesn’t seem like a “in your face” problem to people. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/102 "2022-11-16T03:42:25Z")
Easy answer - they nominate DJT again - “The last four years were just a dream…a nightmare…” ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/103 "2022-11-16T18:50:38Z")
I think Mike Lindell would be perfect. He’s already proven his ability to agree with everything Trump says and does and can continue Pence’s stance of standing with an adoring look on his face whenever Trump pontificates. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/104 "2022-11-16T23:45:00Z")
Doubtful, because VP’s main value is derived from running the Senate (even Trump recognizes this, see Mike Pence). Mr. Lindell’s skillset doesn’t seem to include rules lawyering, consensus building, or herding. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/105 "2022-11-17T00:56:01Z")
The Vice President doesn’t “run the Senate” – the rules layering, consensus building, and herding is done by Senate party leaders. The VP’s sole responsibility is to break ties. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/106 "2022-11-17T01:14:09Z")
> [@dolphinboy](#): > > MAGAs don’t represent a majority of Republican voters, Unfortunately they do represent a majority of Republicans who vote in primaries. I used to think, 60 years ago, that primaries were good for democracy, but now I realize that they mostly empower the most extreme part of a party. Because they’re who vote. I cannot see Trump forming a third party. It requires far too much organization to get on the ballot. Not only is TFG incapable of that, he seems to be incapable of choosing competent people to do it for it. Cf. the constant churn in his cabinet. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/107 "2022-11-17T01:25:28Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > The Vice President doesn’t “run the Senate” – the rules layering, consensus building, and herding is done by Senate party leaders. The VP’s sole responsibility is to break ties. Even Lindell could do that, assuming someone wrote “Yea” or “Nay” on his hand with a sharpie. Make that both hands. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/108 "2022-11-17T01:44:44Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Doubtful, because VP’s main value is derived from running the Senate (even Trump recognizes this, see Mike Pence). Mr. Lindell’s skillset doesn’t seem to include rules lawyering, consensus building, or herding. But he presumably would be really good at fluffing pillows for President Trump. I don’t feel Trump picked Pence for his Senate experience. I think Trump realized he needed to get conservative Christian voters to support him and picking Pence was the bone he threw them. Which means Pence stopped being useful to Trump after the 2016 election and Trump started treating him (and the Christian voters) the same way he treats anyone and anything else that isn’t useful to him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/109 "2022-11-17T08:07:58Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > I cannot see Trump forming a third party. It requires far too much organization to get on the ballot. Not only is TFG incapable of that, he seems to be incapable of choosing competent people to do it for it. Cf. the constant churn in his cabinet. But he wouldn’t have to. He could just join, say, the [Constitution Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)) (which I’m guessing would love to have him). Or maybe the [Christian Liberty Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Liberty_Party) (which is a splinter group). Whatever party he joined would instantly become the “Trump Party” regardless of its history, name, or goals. Trump’s first presidential campaign was in 2000, and he was a candidate in the Reform Party. It’s not like it is something he has never done before. Regardless, it would be a disaster both for him and the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/110 "2022-11-17T17:01:46Z")
Even a semi-organized effort to get his supporters to write-in Trump might peel enough votes away from the Republican candidate to swing the election. I think the Republicans might be successful in defeating Trump in the primary. I think he’s lost the advantage of surprise, it’s easier now to predict his moves and counter them, because everyone sort of knows, at least roughly, what he’s going to do next. It seems like the “normal” politicians and the media managed to effectively neutralize the cries of election fraud after the 2022 midterms, and I think that’s largely because they’d seen the playbook. And I think DeSantis will run, he has a lot of support from the donor class. > **[Not 'A F\*\*king Nickel': 5 GOP Megadonors Distance Themselves From Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-megadonors-donald-trump-2024-election_n_6375fef0e4b07a02ca7fcd0d)** > > The Republican heavies are calling for “fresh faces” and leaders who “are rooted in today and tomorrow, not today and yesterday.” I’ve done work ( nothing remotely political ) for three of those mf’s. I’m glad I retired. Of course, if Trump DOES win the primary, everyone will come flocking back to him. I can hear Rusty Bowers now: “Sure, the guy tried to defecate on the Constitution and everything I hold dear. Sure, the guy had his goons outside my house with panel trucks with LED signage and bullhorns accusing me of pedophilia while I was trying to comfort my dying daughter in her last days.” But he’s not a Democrat, so I’m going to vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/111 "2022-11-17T17:07:56Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Of course, if Trump DOES win the primary, everyone will come flocking back to him. I suspect the die-hard Republicans, and of course the MAGA cult, will flock back to him. But I don’t see that he’d get much more than that. Between the investigations and the January 6th hearings he has become a clown show. Now, the flip side of that is that those right-wing folks are the primary ones who vote in the R primaries, so I think that his chances of winning the nomination are much higher than his chances of winning the actual election. (Though I do agree with you that it’s unlikely to be as easy as it was in the past.) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/112 "2022-11-17T17:15:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t feel Trump picked Pence for his Senate experience. I think Trump realized he needed to get conservative Christian voters to support him and picking Pence was the bone he threw them. Actually, [the way events played out](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/11/mike-pence-donald-trump-vp-228059/) suggests that Trump was maneuvered into picking Pence and believing that it was his own idea (which is how you get a narcissist to do what you want). I’ve long suspected that the people behind the ploy were expecting and hoping that Trump would succumb to one too many hamberders and temper tantrums, paving the way for their preferred candidate to step into the big chair without having to win an election (which would be a challenge for anyone as charisma-deprived as the Whitebread Sepulcher). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/113 "2022-11-17T17:21:20Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Of course, if Trump DOES win the primary, everyone will come flocking back to him. Not everyone. Trump was bad enough in 2016 that there were conservatives who refused to support him, even after he was the Republican nominee. And that was before we all saw him in office. So even if Trump wins the nomination again, I would expect there will be a significant number of Republicans who will either site this election out, pick a conservative third party, or hold their nose and vote for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/114 "2022-11-17T17:24:30Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think the Republicans might be successful in defeating Trump in the primary. I think he’s lost the advantage of surprise, it’s easier now to predict his moves and counter them, because everyone sort of knows, at least roughly, what he’s going to do next. The party leaders also have two years to change the primary procedures to make sure Trump doesn’t win them. It’s not like they lack experience in rigging election outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/115 "2022-11-17T22:30:27Z")
It may have already been said but the only thing I see Trump doing to bleed his support from Republicans is losing to Joe Biden. They consider that unforgivable but they will back to the hilt whoever comes out of the primary. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/116 "2022-11-18T09:06:09Z")
It is much too soon to start a thread on the 2024 senatorial election, but next time around many, many Democratic seats are up for grabs. That means the Democrats might lose biggly. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/117 "2022-11-18T12:18:00Z")
Not too soon, if only because it’s one excellent reason to work over the next three weeks to help ensure Warnock’s re-election in Georgia. It won’t solve the problem you mentioned by itself, but it will help mitigate it. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858/118 "2022-11-18T20:42:07Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > It is much too soon to start a thread on the 2024 senatorial election [Apparently not.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-us-senate-elections/975149) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-the-gop-pivot-to-2024-from-here/974858.md?page=5)