# How does your favorite Gang of Four map? (i.e., Star Trek, Seinfeld, The Beatles...) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 19, 2006, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162 "2006-07-19T12:48:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/21 "2006-07-20T14:56:13Z")
The Who: 1. Pete Townshend 2. Roger Daltrey 3. John Entwistle 4. Keith Moon ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/22 "2006-07-20T15:39:51Z")
1. Hero, conflicted - typically the true protagonist of the situation/story 2. Hero, not conflicted - typically more of a pure “hero ideal” 3. Contrarian or emotionally more complex 4. Comedy relief Friends: 1)Chandler 2) Monica 3)Ross/Rachel 4) Joey/Phoebe Criminal Minds: 1. Jason Gideon 2. Aaron Hotchner/Elle 3. Spencer Reid 4. Penelope Garcia ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/23 "2006-07-20T16:05:39Z")
> [@Spatial Rift 47](#): > > 1. Samwise > 2. Frodo (and Boromir, while he’s around) > 3. Aragorn, Legolas, Elrond, Gandalf, buncha others > 4. Merry and Pippin This is very wrong. In no possible way is Frodo an unconflicted hero. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/24 "2006-07-20T16:46:26Z")
I might need some help with **The Young Ones** 1. Mike - conflicted…as he’s “The Cool Guy” 2. Vyvyan - unconflicted 3. Neil - Actually has emotions 4. Rik - WISHES he was emotionally complex but really just there to get his balls knocked about ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/25 "2006-07-20T16:57:48Z")
1.) Mal 2.) Zoe 3.) Jayne 4.) Wash ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/26 "2006-07-20T17:46:50Z")
Let’s give the Fantastic Four a spin: 1. Hero conflicted: Ben Grimm 2. Hero unconflicted: Reed Richards 3. Emotionally more complex: Susan Storm Richards 4. Comedy relief: Johnny Storm ---
**Author:** ![ddgryphon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@ddgryphon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ddgryphon)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/27 "2006-07-20T19:02:56Z")
1. Forman 2.) Hyde 3.) Donna 4.) Kelso/Fez ---
**Author:** ![Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a8b319/32.png) [@Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spatial_Rift_47)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/28 "2006-07-20T19:06:16Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > This is very wrong. In no possible way is Frodo an unconflicted hero. Oops, you’re right. It should go like this: 1. Frodo (and Boromir, while he’s around) 2. Samwise 3. Aragorn, Legolas, Elrond, Gandalf, buncha others 4. Merry and Pippin “D” is for lysdexia! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/29 "2006-07-20T19:06:48Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > I’m sorry, perhaps I am misunderstanding your post here - does that mean, according to my OP, that Paul McCartney is an archetypal heroine? Well, the Beatles obviously had no female members. And hell, when did we start to apply fiction theory to real-life people? But I feel, with the examples of Star Wars and Futurama, that it would be likely that any female lead is stocked into category number two. Especially regarding families. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/30 "2006-07-20T19:12:26Z")
Will & Grace: Grace Adler Will Truman Jack McFarland Karen Walker King of Queens: Doug Carrie Holly Arthur ---
**Author:** ![Baine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Baine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baine)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/31 "2006-07-20T19:16:08Z")
How about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? 1. Leonardo 2. Donatello 3. Raphael 4. Michelangelo ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/32 "2006-07-20T19:54:29Z")
1. Jubal Harshaw / Gillian Boardman 2. Valentine Michael Smith 3. Ben Caxton 4. Bishop Digby 5. Paul Atreides 6. Duncam Idaho / Stilgar 7. Jessica 8. Baron Harkonnen 9. Louis Wu 10. Speaker to Animals / Teela Brown 11. The Ringworld itself / Teela Brown / Nessus / Speaker to Animals 12. Nessus / various minor characters It’s a little bit harder to do with the classic sci-fi epics! ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/33 "2006-07-20T20:06:07Z")
> [@ddgryphon](#): > > 1. Forman > 2.) Hyde > 3.) Donna > 4.) Kelso/Fez I would offer: 1. Eric & Donna (more complex) 2. Kelso & Jackie (less complex, more “ideal”) 3. Hyde/Red 4. Fez ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/34 "2006-07-20T20:33:59Z")
I’m trying this for Sluggy Freelance, but it doesn’t seem to quite work. Torg is more of a hybrid #1/#4. Anyway: 1. Torg and Riff 2. Bun-Bun\* 3. Zoe 4. Torg and Kiki - I realize that Bun-Bun is hardly the idealised version of a hero, but he’s certainly never conflicted, and other than in the storylines driven by Bun-Bun, he does end up fighting for the right side, if for the wrong reasons(well, ostensibly for the wrong reasons, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/35 "2006-07-20T20:50:17Z")
1. Mal 2. Mal 3. Mal 4. Mal Yeah, I still miss _Firefly_ ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/36 "2006-07-20T21:00:24Z")
1. John 2. Garfield 3. ??? 4. Odie ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/37 "2006-07-20T21:50:31Z")
Actually, Firefly does seem to follow this pattern, in two layers: 1. Mal and River 2. Zoey and Simon 3. Inara and Kaylee 4. Wash and Jayne and 5. Shepherd = ??? (He is shrouded in mystery, obviously powerful or important, knows a lot about shady dealings, crime and security and wears a disguise that places him outside of all suspicion. His name is two symbols (Shepherd Book), which is almost as obvious as naming your sons Cain and Able. Too bad he just got greased in the movie, I would have liked to know who the hell he is.) ---
**Author:** ![Mayo\_Speaks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mayo\_Speaks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayo_Speaks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/38 "2006-07-20T22:17:10Z")
1. Hero, conflicted - typically the true protagonist of the situation/story 2. Hero, not conflicted - typically more of a pure “hero ideal” 3. Contrarian or emotionally more complex 4. Comedy relief **U2:** 1. Bono 2. The Edge 3. Larry Mullen 4. Adam Clayton That checks out quite well. Let’s try some others! **Pink Floyd:** 1. Syd Barret / Roger Waters 2. Rick Wright 3. David Gilmour 4. Nick Mason **The West Wing:** 1. Leo / Bartlet 2. Charlie! 3. Everybody 4. C.J. **The Office (American version):** 1. Michael 2. Pam 3. Jim 4. Dwight **Dilbert:** 1. Dilbert 2. Alice 3. Wally 4. Dogbert **My life:** 1. Me 2. ??? 3. Me 4. Me The model fits less and less as I continue, so I’ll stop here. Mayo ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/39 "2006-07-20T22:22:51Z")
The Gang of Four, Gang of Four 1. Andy Gill 2. Jon King 3. Hugo Burnham 4. Dave Allen 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mayo\_Speaks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mayo\_Speaks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayo_Speaks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2006, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-your-favorite-gang-of-four-map-i-e-star-trek-seinfeld-the-beatles/365162/40 "2006-07-20T22:33:05Z")
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