How familiar are non-US citizens with the 50 states?

Yeah, my address in Japan was:

[Room Number] [Dorm Name] [Street Address], [Ward]
[City], [Prefecture] [Mail Code]

No, they’ll do their best to get it to you no matter what information you include, and (City, State) and (ZIP Code) are pretty mutually reduntant. But the more info you have, the more likely it is to get where it’s intended to go in a reasonable amount of time.

Especially if you include the ZIP, you can fudge the city quite a bit. It’s not uncommon for two different people to right one address two different ways: one using the name of the suburb, and one using the name of the city the suburb is closest to. This is especially true when the “suburb” is really more of a neighborhood that’s still officialy part of the city in question.

You make me sad. Or maybe I’m more depressed about whatever it was you saw here that failed to make an impression on you. :smiley: Next time, let me know when you’re coming, and I’ll tell you what you should go see.

A lot of people in the U.S. don’t even know exactly how D.C. works. One of the interesting things IMO about the fact that it’s not part of any state means that they don’t have any Senators or Representatives. Residents can even get a license plate that says “Taxation Without Representation.”

I used to think that “Newark” was just an odd way of saying “New York.” :smack: I might have figured out the difference as late as the early 2000s, when I was flying into the Newark airport on a visit to NYC.

And I’d call that an attitude that’s pretty prejudiced toward your own interests. I, personally, happen to be fairly crap at geography, but I’m far from a pop culture slob.

Yeah, when I say I’m from Milwaukee, WI, I usually specify that it’s a city about an hour and a half/80 miles north of Chicago, because that’s a landmark that people tend to know. I might also say that we make beer and motorcycles. :smiley:

If I want to be more specific, I’ll usually use the back of my left hand as a reference for the shape of the state and point to where Milwaukee is, more or less.

The one thing I find that people who haven’t visited the U.S., or have visited it very briefly, tend not to comprehend is the sheer *size *of the place. Even individual states–and not the ones you’d expect like Texas or Alaska–can be comparable in size to entire countries.

I don’t believe any of those are remotely comparable to the Great Lakes (especially not when the Great Lakes are considered collectively), either in size or in influence. I’d say it would be more like someone not knowing about the Mediterranean Sea.

All these foreigners who only know New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago… I wonder if they actually know those places, either? Someone might nod their head knowingly when you say that Milwaukee is an hour and a half north of Chicago, but do they know that Chicago is towards the northern side of the country, and about in the middle?

Yep. And on the West shore of Lake Michigan (so the Eastern part of the city is on the lake.) And it’s in Illinois. And LA isn’t really quite on the Pacific, but rather a lot of it is in a slightly more inland depression (which helps to cause all the smog)… And NYC is mostly on islands (4 of the boroughs, all except for the Bronx)… and more… Although I’ve never been to Chicago nor to LA.

I have to say that I’m probably not really representative, though – having mis-read the title of the thread as “non-US residents” for some reason. As a long-term (does 46 years make it long term yet…?) ex-pat, I don’t technically qualify as a “non-US citizen,” and since I have some family States’-side and have been in the US relatively extensively (a total of nearly 4 years of my life) I probably know more about them than the average non-US Joe.

That’s kind of like saying that Iceland isn’t really quite in the Atlantic, because you won’t get your ankles wet in most parts of it.

Noone Special, a foreigner you may be, but I’ll bet you’re not one of the foreigners who only knows New York, LA, and Chicago. I mean, one of the ones who’d be clueless about Milwaukee, until told that it’s near Chicago.

It’s a reasonable point, though. Except for the San Pedro waterfront, connected to the rest by a thin corridor, and Pacific Palisades, Venice, and Playa del Rey in the far west of the city, the actual City of Los Angeles is north and east of the Pacific coast, a few miles inland. Santa Monica, Torrance, Englewood, Long Beach, and a herd of smaller communities lie between it and the ocean.

The point isn’t so much that they know where it is as that it gives them *something *they recognize to grasp on to. Even if usually what they associate it with is Al Capone. :smack: But still, it’s something. Frames of reference are important; otherwise, I might as well be spouting a bunch of made-up crap at them for all the good it would do.

Is it bad that I only know that these are northern places because I wanted to know why Johnny Vegas and Andrew-Lee Potts sound so different from the kids in the Harry Potter movies? I was a bit surprised that Vegas isn’t Scottish, so I decided to see how far north he was from. And that looking at a map then is why I know that most of the English names we stole for New Hampshire and Massachusetts towns (Portsmouth, Plymouth, Waymouth, Dorcester, Taunton, Falmouth, Bridg(e)water, Dover, Exeter etc) came from the south coast?
Anyway, given that I met people in VA who had no idea at all where I live, I think it’s far to give the international community a pass on not knowing the northeastern states besides Massachusetts are (I do expect many of them to be familiar with Boston).

Not in my experience. They’ve heard of Baltimore - particularly since The Wire - but they don’t really have any idea where it’s located.

A fair number of people who are actually from England seem to make the same mistake.

Got about 34 on the quiz someone linked to. I’m more of an America-phile than your average Norwegian, though. (Though I spent about three minutes of it wondering what the hell Vermont was. I also missed Arkansas because the similarity with Kansas.)

RE: the “52 states” phenomenon. When I grew up, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands were tagged on our geography map in US colours. The rule was “50 states and two territories.” For a lot of people cramming for exams, this became “50 and 2,” which usually gets lodged as “52” in the back memory when you’re out of school.

I think most Norwegians would be able to name 10-15 states. New York, Florida, California, Texas, Washington, Illinois and Alabama because they’re famous. Other states as they stick - funnily, most people I’ve asked remember Connecticut and Massachusetts because they’re a complete bitch to spell.

Oddly, the North of Englanders and Scots migrated to the American South, the Home Counties and West Country people to the Northeast. One can speculate on reasons, but the actual trend seems solidly documented.

Got all 50 states in under 3 minutes, limited only by typing/spelling.

I forgot that Cheyenne was the capital of Wyoming, I was convinced that it was Cody.

If the second-largest city in New York sold some city buses to the Rodeo Capital of the World, would Buffalo bill Cody for them?

I don’t know, but Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

Translation: Bison from upstate New York who are lied to by other bison from upstate New York themselves lie to yet more bison from upstate New York.

And I can rattle off all those Canadian provinces…
(and each of the NW territories)

Although, i’ve always wondered: is Prince Ed Island really its own province? Why?

They needed some incentive to join Canada in the first place. Otherwise, they’d have become just another miniscule U.S. state in the Northeast.

Given enough time, I could probably name all 50. Bollocks about telling you where most of them are or what the States capital is, though :slight_smile:
As a general rule, though, I’d wager foreigners absorb a lot more culture (pop or otherwise) about the US through TV/movies/music/books and comics than the reverse. As in, I can tell you that the Village or Bel Air is where posh people are at, but could you instantly associate the same with Neuilly, Kensington or Ginza ?

Come to think about it, isn’t it odd in itself that many Westerners, myself included, would be able to name 49 states off the top of their head (damn you, Delaware !!), yet not be able to name more than a handful of Russian oblasts, subdivisions of India or provinces of China ? And that’s not even getting into podunk places no one’s heard about like Spain or Germany :stuck_out_tongue: