# How far will elected MAGAts go with Canschluss? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 15, 2025, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632 "2025-03-15T23:39:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/41 "2025-03-17T01:56:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why? > **[Why annexing Canada would destroy the United States](https://theconversation.com/why-annexing-canada-would-destroy-the-united-states-249561)** > > Americans have already been defeated by insurgents all over the world. Invading Canada would be no exception. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/42 "2025-03-17T02:23:36Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I guess you missed that Canada is harboring Mexican fentanyl producers that murder 1,000,000s of Americans (through no action by the Americans apparently) every year? It’s a good narrative but you need an [inspiring song rendered by a chorus of celebrities to really sell it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUs-2yHpPMU). Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/43 "2025-03-17T02:27:46Z")
and we beat them before and burned the Whitehouse. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/44 "2025-03-17T02:56:12Z")
Oh yeah, elbows up and all that, but us Canucks don’t have some of the advantages that the Afghanis, Vietnamese, and other insurgencies had, such as the long logistic train required to support US operations, local allies providing weapons and intelligence. I don’t give this war high odds of occurring… but, it’s about one thousand times higher now, than it was 5 years ago. So, what, that gives us another 8 years before the US does the unthinkable. This thread isn’t about Trump, and my worries aren’t only about Trump, rather the risk that MAGA, and the next MAGA supported president (who likely will be a full on Project 2025 psychopath, grounded with actual goals, and determination) who continues the thinking about invading Canada… Who knows, maybe it will be a drug-addled son of the current president… wouldn’t that be ironic? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/45 "2025-03-17T03:03:44Z")
This is the most probable course of events, however “most probable” doesnt not equal “certain”. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/46 "2025-03-17T03:03:52Z")
Will the other NATO countries come to Canada’s defense? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/47 "2025-03-17T03:30:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I tend to believe our current problems with Canada will follow Trump’s usual pattern. > > 1. Trump does something stupid. > 2. Normal people get annoyed/upset/outraged at what Trump did (depending on the seriousness of the subject Trump is stupid about). > 3. Trump’s followers defend Trump. > 4. Reality asserts itself and demonstrates that Trump was wrong. > 5. Trump will claim that he never meant the stupid thing he said or did and it was only intended as a negotiating tactic. > 6. Trump will claim that whatever the current status quo is is the situation Trump always secretly wanted and that he has achieved it by his brilliant negotiating skills. > 7. Trump’s followers will proclaim Trump is a genius. > 8. Normal people will roll their eyes. > 9. Go back to step one and repeat the cycle. I wish this was the case but what we are dealing with is Trump’s inner child who cannot understand why there is a line on the map. He doesn’t believe in the line and doesn’t think it should be there. And since he is a child with nuclear weapons, he kinda-sorta has the power to get rid of the line. Look at how easily he turned the Gulf of Mexico into the Gulf of America. There is no third-grade teacher available to sit Donnie Two Scoops down in the corner and explain to him how countries work. He wants the biggest country on earth and he will throw tantrums until he gets it. > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Will the other NATO countries come to Canada’s defense? No: > **[Trump vows to annex Greenland as he sits next to NATO secretary general](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vows-annex-greenland-sits-180654737.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)** > > Former Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte, now the NATO Secretary-General, declined to respond to Trump’s belligerent remarks FWIW, I think if Trump thinks NATO will be a problem, he’ll just invoke Article V on Canada because of fentanyl or electricity prices or some other way in which Canada is “attacking” the US. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/48 "2025-03-17T03:47:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How’s the Third Reich holding up these days? They’re in the White House. At any rate you are moving the goal posts. Nazi Germany didn’t collapse because of anger over an unpopular war, they collapsed because they lost a war with the Allies. There’s not going to be any military invasion toppling the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/49 "2025-03-17T04:53:23Z")
America spent 20 years trying to pacify a country with no military, transportation infrastructure, or industry, and whose economy is driven primarily by opium and pederasty, and it fell apart the second we withdrew. How the hell do you think we’re gonna fare in a decades-long bush war in a country that’s much larger, with a lot more places to hide out, and which has a LOT more guns? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/50 "2025-03-17T04:55:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How the hell do you think we’re gonna fare in a decades-long bush war in a country that’s much larger, with a lot more places to hide out, and which has a LOT more guns Guns are useless. And I expect that eventually we’ll get frustrated and just exterminate the entire population. Unlike Canada, Afghanistan wasn’t fighting fascists. Forget decades, I doubt it’ll take even one decade before fascist America decides they are tired of it and just nukes all the major population centers. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/51 "2025-03-17T06:59:35Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > They perceive Canada as big and white so they want it. It’s even in the name! The Great White North! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/52 "2025-03-17T07:06:55Z")
That’s not going to happen. If anybody gets nuked, _everybody_ gets nuked. You’re predicting that “fascist America” is going to wipe out human civilization and itself for the lulz. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/53 "2025-03-17T07:08:53Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Will the other NATO countries come to Canada’s defense? We’ve discussed this in other threads, and the answer is, “Even if they wanted to, they won’t be able to”. No country in NATO has the sealift or airlift capacity to put a significant number of troops on Canadian soil, in the face of US opposition. Any such attempt would have to run the gauntlet of the US Navy and Airforce, who would destroy most if not all of the invading forces long before they reach North America. In the face of such certain devastation, no nation would ever even try it. The best we could hope for is France or the UK threatening to nuke the US, and I think we all know how useful that would be. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/54 "2025-03-17T07:11:32Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > No country in NATO has the sealift or airlift capacity to put a significant number of troops on Canadian soil, in the face of US opposition. How much airlift capacity does it take to smuggle guns in from Detroit and embed resistance liaisons to teach people how to make IEDs? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/55 "2025-03-17T07:13:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How much airlift capacity does it take to smuggle guns in from Detroit and embed resistance liaisons to teach people how to make IEDs? Not much. But that won’t stop the US invasion, it will just make the occupation a bigger problem. And it won’t be NATO smuggling in those guns, it will be the US drug gangs that Canadian partisans make common cause with. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/56 "2025-03-17T07:15:49Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > But that won’t stop the US invasion, it will just make the occupation a bigger problem. That’s the point. The US is good at invading places. Actually winning the occupation? Not so much. Not that any of this is going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/57 "2025-03-17T07:21:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That’s the point. The US is good at invading places. And our point is, even a failed, incompetent invasion and occupation is going to fuck us up almost completely. It will destroy our cities, kill a significant portion of our population, traumatize a generation, and utterly alter our nation’s culture. We’ll stop being the international touchstone for “nice”, and become a nation of terrorists and killers. If there’s even a 1% chance of that happening, we need to take it seriously and push back on it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/58 "2025-03-17T07:23:21Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > And our point is, even a failed, incompetent invasion and occupation is going to fuck us up almost completely. It will destroy our cities, kill a significant portion of our population, traumatize a generation, and utterly alter our nation’s culture. We’ll stop being the international touchstone for “nice”, and become a nation of terrorists and killers. It would destroy **both** our nations. > [@Horatius](#): > > If there’s even a 1% chance of that happening, we need to take it seriously and push back on it. I don’t think there’s even a 0.1% chance of it happening. As I keep pointing out and everyone seems to keep ignoring, not even Trump himself has suggested invading Canada. This whole thing is just paranoid fantasizing. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/59 "2025-03-17T07:36:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That’s not going to happen. If anybody gets nuked, _everybody_ gets nuked. You’re predicting that “fascist America” is going to wipe out human civilization and itself for the lulz. Nonsense; Canada _has_ no nukes, therefore it can be bombarded to annihilation with no means of retaliation. And yes; fascist America probably _will_ eventually decide to destroy civilization, including itself. Fascism is a death cult, in the end; Hitler wanted Germany to immolate itself and Europe when it became apparently Germany would lose he just didn’t have the power. America _does._ And that’s ignoring the strong presence of the Christian End Times believers on the Right, who consider the end of the world desirable and are actively working towards it. I expect the last act of American fascism when it becomes obvious the system will collapse and they’ll lose power, will to be to launch nuclear weapons at every major population system on the planet that they can spare a nuke for with the intent to kill as much of the world as they can. The fact that China, Russia and Europe will retaliate in kind will mean that they won’t have to target any American cities, so they’ll have more to spare for foreign ones. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632/60 "2025-03-17T07:39:49Z")
It won’t happen because it is stupid and self-destructive? _Really?_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-far-will-elected-magats-go-with-canschluss/1015632.md?page=4)