# How Fucked is the Dem Party? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576 "2013-10-29T18:35:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/1 "2013-10-29T18:35:52Z")
> [@](#): > > National Journal’s Editorial Director and former AP Washington Bureau Chief Ron Fournier is well respected in liberal circles, and he starts his Monday blog post with a startling pronouncement: “Dem Party is F\*\*\*\*d.” > **[Dem Consultant: Dem Party is F\*\*\*d](https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/dem_consultant_dem_party_is_fd.html)** > > National Journal's Editorial Director and former AP Washington Bureau Chief Ron Fournier is well respected in liberal circles, and he starts his Monday blog post with a startling pronouncement: Should we start digging the grave for the Dem Party and have the embalmers on call and the head-stone makers in the wings? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/2 "2013-10-29T18:39:54Z")
Not at all and no. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/3 "2013-10-29T18:40:56Z")
Not nearly so much as the Republicans ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/4 "2013-10-29T18:42:28Z")
**IceQube** , I really think you need to start trying harder. What do you _really_ want people to discuss here? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/5 "2013-10-29T18:44:40Z")
As that assessment is based on public reaction to the ACA, I’d say, definitely not fucked. By November 2014 the ACA will be the most popular government program since Social Security, mainly because people with private insurance will see their premiums go **down.** (Of course, people with employment-linked insurance won’t even notice that.) ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/6 "2013-10-29T18:49:58Z")
Well there are a lot people in the Democratic party, and chances are a large percentage of those people get it on from time to time, so as a whole, the party is probably pretty fucked. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/7 "2013-10-29T19:00:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > As that assessment is based on public reaction to the ACA, I’d say, definitely not fucked. By November 2014 the ACA will be the most popular government program since Social Security, mainly because people with private insurance will see their premiums go **down.** (Of course, people with employment-linked insurance won’t even notice that.) Right, because you know better than real world experiences. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/8 "2013-10-29T19:04:30Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Not nearly so much as the Republicans What happened to the Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/9 "2013-10-29T19:09:26Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > What happened to the Republicans? They’re trying to bottom out with stupidity. Only problem is, they keep taking turns with the shovel. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/10 "2013-10-29T19:10:16Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > [Dem Consultant: Dem Party is F\*\*\*d - American Thinker](http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/dem_consultant_dem_party_is_fd.html) > > Should we start digging the grave for the Dem Party and have the embalmers on call and the head-stone makers in the wings? What do you call that machine you run film through so you can display it on a screen? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/11 "2013-10-29T19:14:41Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Right, because you know better than real world experiences. Just a quick question here… just so we can judge their credibility, what’s the name of the person who wrote the email entitled “The Democrat Party is F’ed?” ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/12 "2013-10-29T19:17:19Z")
> [@Bob's Zombie](#): > > **IceQube** , I really think you need to start trying harder. What do you _really_ want people to discuss here? 1. How fucked are libs. 2. The points of the liberal political adviser’s column, which regard the ACA and insurance premiums. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/13 "2013-10-29T19:19:37Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > What happened to the Republicans? That’s a damn good question, and one I wish I knew the answer to. They’re totally unrecognizable these days. Glad you agree! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/14 "2013-10-29T19:19:49Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > 1. How fucked are libs. Why do you personally believe they’re fucked? > [@](#): > > 1. The points of the liberal political adviser’s column, which regard the ACA and insurance premiums. Maybe you could take a minute to summarize them and explain why they translate to Democratic Party = fucked. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/15 "2013-10-29T19:34:12Z")
Oh, the _American Stinker_, you need to ignore it, otherwise the stupid from them can stick to you. > **[American Thinker](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Thinker)** > > American Thinker (affectionately nicknamed "American Stinker" by its fans) is an online wingnut publication that's more or less the poor man's WND or Newsmax. They've published articles by such conservative luminaries as Noel Sheppard (NewsBusters)... > [@](#): > > American Thinker is an online wingnut publication that’s more or less the poor man’s WorldNutDaily or Newsmax. None of its regular columnists are even recognizable names as z-list pundits. The magazine, of course, is chock-full of right-wing conspiracy theories, woo, pseudoscience, and anti-science. On the conspiracy side, they promote birtherism, “creeping sharia,” and still occasionally prattle on about Vince Foster. On the science side, they concentrate on creationism and global warming denialism. Exibit A: Birtherism: [http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new\_obama\_birth\_certificate\_forgery\_proof\_in\_the\_layers.html](http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_proof_in_the_layers.html) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/16 "2013-10-29T19:37:16Z")
So if Obama has lost people who’ve hated him from the beginning, he’s in serious trouble. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/17 "2013-10-29T19:41:06Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > What happened to the Republicans? They shut down the government and now the people don’t like them. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/18 "2013-10-29T19:43:42Z")
Ron Fournier. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/19 "2013-10-29T19:44:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They shut down the government and now the people don’t like them. Also they lost the last two presidential elections, have blown some easy chances at the Senate, are dominated by a 20- or 30-person rump in the House, and are increasingly becoming a party of old white men based in rural areas and the South. Then they shut down the government and tried to cause a default. Other than that, they’re doing great. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/20 "2013-10-29T19:47:36Z")
There’s a good chance of a three way race for the president in 2016. I can’t imagine the Dems screwing up so bad that a Tea Party candidate gets elected, but enough problems may open the door for a non-TP Republican like Christie once the Tea Party disassociates from the GOP. But right now the Democratic party is concerned with the mid-terms, and every misstep hurts their chance of swinging the house. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576.md?page=2)