# How Fucked is the Dem Party? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576 "2013-10-29T18:35:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/101 "2013-10-31T04:07:37Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Back to the point, it’s pretty clear to me the ACA has been a train-wreck. It proves that the government can’t even manufacture so much as a paper clip without a disaster happening. The government is incompetent and the libs have shown this time after time and it’s time to repeal ACA. Because of a screwed up software rollout? I believe it was Microsoft, and every other software company ever, that taught us to leave the first two revs for the bleeding edgers and true believers so they can beta test it. Only suckers buy anything before Rev 3. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/102 "2013-10-31T04:13:33Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > The government is incompetent and the libs have shown this time after time and it’s time to repeal ACA. Good luck repealing Obamacare when there is a guy named Obama in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/103 "2013-10-31T04:30:41Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Back to the point, it’s pretty clear to me the ACA has been a train-wreck. It proves that the government can’t even manufacture so much as a paper clip without a disaster happening. The government is incompetent and the libs have shown this time after time and it’s time to repeal ACA. That’s great. You’ve formed your opinions and you’ll vote on that basis. But you’re one voter out of about 130,000,000. Your vote by itself isn’t going to fuck the Democrats. So the real question is whether the Democrats will lose votes to the Republicans in the next couple of elections. To do that you need to look around and assess how many people share your opinions. And not just the opinions of the people that read the American Thinker. You need to check poll numbers and see what percent of the American electorate believes ACA has failed. And if they think it’s a failure, what percent blame the Democrats for that failure? And what percent will base their vote on this issue? These are the kind of questions you need to be asking if you want to have a serious discussion about elections. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/104 "2013-10-31T11:19:58Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Back to the point, it’s pretty clear to me the ACA has been a train-wreck. It proves that the government can’t even manufacture so much as a paper clip without a disaster happening. The government is incompetent and the libs have shown this time after time and it’s time to repeal ACA. The government runs the military just fine. And the government runs health care for the military (which I remember rather fondly from my time in the Navy) just fine as well. “The government is incompetent” is nothing more than a right-wing mantra, and is pretty obviously false in many cases. The government is often incompetent, but so is the market (often) – except at making profits. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/105 "2013-10-31T12:27:38Z")
> [@Lendervedder's Bloated Corpse](#): > > You really want to hijack your own thread over convention prostitution? What a staggering lack of faith in your original “argument” that you’d be so willing to go that route. Most of the time people derail \*other \*people’s threads when they feel they’re at a loss. Well played. Nonetheless, I’d love to see the actual data on that, either via a link or another thread. If true, it’s a fascinating factoid. > [@Bricker](#): > > This, I agree with. It’s why I read and post here. > > I wonder what the liberals reading this post do? Recognize yet another implied but unsupported swipe at liberals and do this: :rolleyes: I’ve got enough relations who parrot the extreme right-wing line to be aware of what’s going on in the conservabubble, and include the more sane of the right-wing publications and a few websites in my reading matter (although my newspaper reading is fairly minimal overall, admittedly). > [@IceQube](#): > > There are better prospects for Americans than being ruled by a countess chosen by a homosexual Muslim. Is…is this an attempt at humor, or an actual position you hold? I genuinely can’t tell, based on the rest of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/106 "2013-10-31T12:33:24Z")
> [@Iceqube](#): > > There are better prospects for Americans than being ruled by a countess chosen by a homosexual Muslim. Yep, that really has you coming off as reasonable, all right. > [@IceQube](#): > > Back to the point, it’s pretty clear to me the ACA has been a train-wreck. It proves that the government can’t even manufacture so much as a paper clip without a disaster happening. The government is incompetent and the libs have shown this time after time and it’s time to repeal ACA. Aside from the general silliness of this assertion, I’m pretty sure the government has never attempted to manufacture paper clips. Perhaps they’d be great at it. I’m willing to stand corrected if there was some sort of grand Paper Clip Initiative (other than the one involving German rocket scientists) I don’t know of. A few government-run things that seems to work reasonably well: The Military Medicare The Interstate Highway system The National Parks Service The air traffic control system Now I’m sure anyone who really wants to can find all sorts of flaws in all of these, but I’m not seeing that privately-operated insitutions of these types would by inherently better-run, or even simply more efficient or practical. Frankly, I think one would at best be trading one set of problems for another. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/107 "2013-10-31T12:56:50Z")
> [@](#): > > There are better prospects for Americans than being ruled by a countess chosen by a homosexual Muslim. OK, can someone help me make sense of this? I mean, obviously, it’s based on a false view of reality, but I can’t even figure out what pieces of reality were falsified for it. Who’s the countess, and who’s the gay Muslim, and how is the latter choosing the former? ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/108 "2013-10-31T13:07:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, can someone help me make sense of this? I mean, obviously, it’s based on a false view of reality, but I can’t even figure out what pieces of reality were falsified for it. Who’s the countess, and who’s the gay Muslim, and how is the latter choosing the former? Yeah, I cannot make heads nor tails of it either. Is Obama the gay Muslim? Is Countess, I dunno, Caroline Kennedy or something? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/109 "2013-10-31T13:11:21Z")
> [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](#): > > Yeah, I cannot make heads nor tails of it either. Is Obama the gay Muslim? Is Countess, I dunno, Caroline Kennedy or something? Obama and Hillary Clinton, I assume. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/110 "2013-10-31T13:13:27Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > IceQube, OMGABC, please please continue thinking as you do! It will assure the continued destruction of the Republican Party and that would be a great thing for all Americans! And even though I’m telling you why I want you to think what you do, I know that you guys won’t change or even self-evaluate just a little bit and change your tune! You’re stuck the way you are! Thanks! It makes it easier to eliminate the GOP as a national party! > > One of the best moments of the election night on 2012, one of many many great moments, is seeing the bubble burst around guys like Karl Rove and those other conservative pundits and conservative operatives on the ground lamenting that somehow, despite all the polls, the Democrats won in a landslide! Almost none of them saw it coming! It was one of the best political nights of my life! I’m so happy that with the continued idiocy of the Tea Baggers, that moment will replay every 4 years for the foreseeable future. And I’m glad there are people like you two who will, oblivious to facts and polls and real journalists of the sort working for the New York Times, continue to believe that the GOP has a snowball’s chance in hell at some of these elections. > > Please give my regards to, _LOL_, future governor Ken Cucinelli! 😃 Bwahahahaha! Damn, son. What are you? Like five? I really think you ought to put down the Democratic flavored Kool-Aid for a moment and open your eyes. …Wait. I almost forgot who I was talking to. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/111 "2013-10-31T13:16:24Z")
Looks like **YogSosoth** got his wish. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/112 "2013-10-31T14:48:03Z")
Not in the slightest. Democrats, as a whole, are like the woman who stays with her abusive boyfriend, even though he continues to beat her, and continues to make excuses for him. The fact that she stays with him isn’t an indictment of anyone but herself. Useful idiots will always be useful idiots. If people want to vote for the party which is content to screw them then, well… You can’t do anything about that except hope that they get tired of being screwed. Of course, that’s probably asking for a lot but hey… One can hope. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/113 "2013-10-31T14:48:34Z")
[Pitting **IceQube.**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=706545) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/114 "2013-10-31T14:50:13Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Damn, son. What are you? Like five? I really think you ought to put down the Democratic flavored Kool-Aid for a moment and open your eyes. Tip, **Omg:** A political joke is no good if you can change the party or pol in it without changing the joke. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/115 "2013-10-31T15:15:44Z")
I’m confused by this mantra by the right on “Obamacare is a trainwreck”. Do they realize that a nice chunk of the ACA is already in palce and working today? And has been for a couple years now? And while the federal exchnage website stinks, the state based exchanges are doing just fine and seeing some nice growth? The yelling and screaming about folks not able to get healthcare is funny since most of those people trying to get healthcare dont have it today, and if we do nothing won’t have it tomorrow either. So the republican plan to fix folks not able to get healthcare thru the federal exchange is to… not allow anyone at all, anywhere, to get healthcare? Yes, some folks whose junk policies dont meet the new guidelines lost their policy. But we have created a system that will allow 40 million people to GET healthcare that didn’t have it before. Keep in mind too that some of the 40 million un-insured include folks with jobs, family, etc… who can’t get healtcare because of pre-existing conditions, or have spent the previous life-time caps. Should they be screwed because some healthy 20 year old is upset his “emergency coverage” plan is cancelled? He can get another plan easily… but the folks suffering thru no fault of their own have been screwed for far to long. I’m not 100% happy with ACA (we should have done better) but im 0% happy that for decades we have turned a blind eye to the folks who needed our help the most. ACA is a start, and its about time we started something. Doing NOTHING isn’t a policy or a platform. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/116 "2013-10-31T15:15:50Z")
So, **Qube** , you gonna clean up your “truth-y” numbers after being corrected on the facts, or just leave them like dog droppings in a house already so littered by trash that a little more just doesn’t matter? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/117 "2013-10-31T15:20:44Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > There are better prospects for Americans than being ruled by a countess chosen by a homosexual Muslim. What the fuck are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/118 "2013-10-31T15:24:38Z")
> [@Guy Rotting](#): > > Obama and Hillary Clinton, I assume. I think this is it, and it’s a reference to the next presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/119 "2013-10-31T15:25:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What the fuck are you talking about? HRC, I think. Or possibly Sebelius. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576/120 "2013-10-31T15:31:22Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > I’m confused by this mantra by the right on “Obamacare is a trainwreck”. Do they realize that a nice chunk of the ACA is already in palce and working today? And has been for a couple years now? And while the federal exchnage website stinks, the state based exchanges are doing just fine and seeing some nice growth? > > The yelling and screaming about folks not able to get healthcare is funny since most of those people trying to get healthcare dont have it today, and if we do nothing won’t have it tomorrow either. So the republican plan to fix folks not able to get healthcare thru the federal exchange is to… not allow anyone at all, anywhere, to get healthcare? > > Yes, some folks whose junk policies dont meet the new guidelines lost their policy. But we have created a system that will allow 40 million people to GET healthcare that didn’t have it before. Keep in mind too that some of the 40 million un-insured include folks with jobs, family, etc… who can’t get healtcare because of pre-existing conditions, or have spent the previous life-time caps. Should they be screwed because some healthy 20 year old is upset his “emergency coverage” plan is cancelled? He can get another plan easily… but the folks suffering thru no fault of their own have been screwed for far to long. > > I’m not 100% happy with ACA (we should have done better) but im 0% happy that for decades we have turned a blind eye to the folks who needed our help the most. ACA is a start, and its about time we started something. > > Doing NOTHING isn’t a policy or a platform. No, it’s not doing nothing. It’s repealing the federal overreach and letting states decide what to do with their uninsured citizens. Obamacare has the fig leaf of federalism. Let’s take our founding philosophy a little further than this socialized catastrophe of medicine that only a black person could have “thought” of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-fucked-is-the-dem-party/672576.md?page=7)