bibliophage 13 minutes - now that is what I call service. I’ve been spinning my wheels on google this whole time. Thanks !
I was so relieved to see that this thread was unrelated to the terrorist attack.
I’m a wannabe… I’m planning of getting my ultralight permit sometime in the next few (dare I say couple?) years (in Canada, you need it, to fly a UL, but it can be heavier and faster than a US ultralight)
I was wondering, what are some good pilot forums, for the general aviation / ultralight / homebuilt crowd? I’ve seen the UPAC forum, but there’s next to no action there… I’ve also stumble onto another one, but it’s mainly focused on career pilots.
Glenoled
Get this, there is even a Deaf Pilots Assn. I won’t be flying with them.
“My Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 Professional Edition® CD-ROM has this “Become a Pilot”
feature.”
Yeah, Microsoft has pulled this game & its no longer for sale.
Well, as a flight instructor, it’s my job to take the completely uninitiated youngster and turn hin (her) into a non-destructive element. It can have it’s interesting moments. You have to completely retrain a person’s style of thinking. One slip-up and BAM! he smashes you into the runway like so much asteroid. Or worse. But I’ve found that students, in particular the teenagers that I normally teach, don’t have all that much trouble. Most don’t have problems with the physical skill of flying- it’s the judgement and decision-making that takes the most work. You always bite your nails when they first go solo.
Cute.
It is an international list, however, it is dominated by the USA contingent. Because of that, and because recreational aviation in the United States is grounded at present, we’re currently talking more about the attacks last Tuesday than about flying right now. If you don’t mind that join now. If you don’t want to talk about that you might want to wait a week or three.
is there anything that doesn’t involve email? I prefer forums of the same type as this one here…
Glenoled
This thread made me think of the movie “Airplane!”, and the scene in the control tower where you can hear one of the controllers in the background talking someone down. “You pull up, you go up. You push down, you go down. You turn left, you go left. You turn right, you go right. What could be simpler?”
That’s not true. In fact, retailers are taking preorders for the 2002 edition and there’s a $20 rebate being advertised by many chains for the 2000 edition right now.
All Microsoft has announced is that the WTC won’t be in 2002.
Oh yeah? Keep pulling up for a while and see what happens…
Hmm… not that I’m aware of. But I think you can join a Yahoo group, set your “subscription” to no e-mail, and read the threads on a website, just posting when you want to. I’m on it as old fashioned e-mail subscriber, so you’ll have to go to Yahoo and check it out yourself.
Think about this. When you get in a car wreck, you usually live. When you get in a plane wreck, you usually die. I thiink the risk of mechanical error would scare off a LOT of people.
Not according to these statistics I posted a while ago. They come from the AOPA site. According to them, (on average) only 19% of aircraft crashes involve a fatality.
Well, okay… but if you were high enough, you’d eventually go back up again. 
I think Grok was talking about aerodynamic stall.
I’m pretty sure he was. Although several factors weigh in here, such as aircraft type, airspeed, altitude when starting pullback, etc. I once saw a guy at an air show do loops for quite a long time nonstop, so you wouldn’t necessarily stall.
I was mostly joking with my original post there, but now that we’re on the subject, yes I was referring to an aerodynamic stall.
Most planes will not loop at all, let alone conintuously, unless they have sufficient power and are flown properly. In general, if you keep hauling back on the stick, eventually the airflow will decrease to the point of stall. I’d be intersted to know if a commercial jet could do a loop, but I’m doubting it. I read about some test pilot who performed a barrel roll in a jumbo jet of some kind, which nearly resulted in heart attacks for the engineers on the ground.
Even in an aerobatic plane, if one enters a loop and doesn’t know how to get out of it, an overspeed situation can easily develop. So if you are ever called upon to take the controls after a botched hijacking, don’t pull back on the stick for too long!
Although really, a General Aviation pilot has very little chance of successfully piloting a large commercial jet. I’ll look for article that described the study of this. They took IFR rated private pilots and put them in a 747 simulator. The results showed that the private pilot in this situation would be next to useless. I told the pilots about this on a recent visit to a 747 cockpit during a flight from the UK. They agreed, and added that the first time I touched the throttle I’d most likely destroy the plane.
God I love talking about flying. Can you tell? 
It was a Dash-80 (precursor to the Boeing 707) in 1955. Here is the article, with photos.
Hmmm. This guy, with a pretty good track record, refers to a roll in a 707 proper.
Perhaps a thread in CCC is appropriate?
Yeah, but he also called it a “barrel roll”, whereas my cite correctly calls it an aileron roll and describes the difference. 
I thought ‘Dash-80’ was just the designation of the 707 prototype. Is it actually a completely different jet?