How has flying changed in 30 years?

I get annoyed at some of the petty aspects of airport security, like shoe removal and the confiscation of nail files, because i don’t think that these little things improve our security, and they cost much time and aggravation. Still, if you’re arguing that the overall level of security at airports in unnecessary, i have to disagree. Various incidents, from the Lockerbie bombing to September 11, show that planes are vulnerable targets if not properly secured.

Imagine that! They’re actually allowing men and married women to be flight attendants now! And they don’t necessarily have to be young, perky, and beautiful! What is this, the twenty-first century or something?

Give me a break. As people have already pointed out, reduced service on airlines is more a result of lower costs and the drive for company profits, and has little to do with how professional the staff are. Most flight attendants, in my experience, do their best to be helpful and courteous, within the constraints of the job. Even the Qantas staff, who i criticized in an earlier post, aren’t that bad.

I have no idea what being “young, pretty, and charming single young ladies” has to do with anything, unless you subscribe to the belief that the flight attendants’ role is to be nothing more than eye candy for leering businessmen.

Well, with the video games and individual movie selections that are now offered by some airlines, even in cattle class, playing cards probably seem rather dull to many travellers. Many travellers also have laptop computers or Gameboys to entertain themselves, and some people even (shock, horror) bring a book to read. As for drinks, this thread is dealing with international flights, most of which, AFAIK, still provide free beverages, alcoholic and non-alcoholic.

Well, we all know what happened last time some passengers wanted a view from the cockpit. Seriously, is this issue even up for debate?

Again, not the case on long international flights.

It’s probably true about the seat spacing, and this does make things less comfortable. As the the planes being full–how dare the airlines try to avoid wasted space and fuel, and maximize their income, by filling up the planes? You realize, i assume, that if the airlines ran all their planes half-empty, ticket prices would increase dramatically?

We have a place for those. It’s called THE CINEMA. Also, the replacement of large screens at the front of each section with a greater number of smaller screens (sometimes even individual screens for each person) actually allows more people to get a better view of the movie. My girlfriend, who is 5’3", can usually see a video screen from wherever she is sitting; in the older configuration, she would be out of luck unless seated right near the screen.

Hang the inconsiderate louts, i say! How dare they expect to get a fully-laden 250-ton aircraft and its 400-odd passengers off the ground on time? They should be well aware of the fact that you were too stupid to take a leak earlier, and should inconvenience everyone else for the sake of your ablutions. After all, there are no toilets on the aircraft, are there?

Given that many (most?) people now fly on e-tickets, some form of check-in is essential, especially with heightened security concerns. And i don’t know too many people who take international holidays without having to check some baggage. Do you have some system whereby this might miraculously occur wthout queues or human intervention of any kind? Furthermore, the self-check-in services that i have used tend to make the whole process faster, because there are more podiums in use, they allow the passenger to do much of the check-in alone, and only require a staff member for ID checks and baggage tagging.

one of the biggest differences other than price…is language (on most airlines)

No stewardess…flight attendants
No Cockpit…flight deck

:smiley:

I find the main difference beween flying 30 years ago and flying today is that now no one gives me a little set of plastic wings with the airline’s insignia on it when I get on board. :frowning:

Thank you all enormously for your tips and descriptions!

I had to laugh when I saw that I couldn’t even remember the name of the airline I am flying on! Yes, it is U.S. Airways.

It is going to be an Airbus Industrie 330 Jet with a capacity of 345.

Hmmm…That gives me visions of Greyhound Scenacruisers. :eek:

Anyone know anything about Airbuses?

Are upgrades ever given on overseas flights?

This sounds like a major improvement to me! In an emergency, I’d rather be in the hands of a salty old broad or a nice man who believes in “dotty old ladies with granddaughters first.”

US Airways: Airbus 330.

Upgrades? Forget it. As has been hinted at, airlines are very good at filling every seat available. I’ve never flown transatlantic and not been on a fully booked flight. And given there’s the extra class of “premium economy” or whatever they call it, you’re another hurdle away from the caviar :wink:

But play up the frail old lady card as much as you can, particularly at check-in and boarding. It should get you preferential treatment of some kind. Bring a stick to walk with, even if you don’t need it :smiley:

And if you follow Walloon’s link a little further, you’ll find that every seat on this plane has its own video screen with on-demand entertainment.

That certainly helps to pass the time if you can’t sleep.

Oh Airbus is a dirty word in this town! :slight_smile: Hubby didn’t mention U S Air had a “blended family.” Sorry I gave you incorrect information.
Could someone hold my shoe? It gets wet when its in my mouth!

They’ve been fine to me–although not as obsequious as say, SIA staff–but I’ve never flown Qantas domestically. Only Ansett in the old days (sniff) and now Virgin Blue (no free food, but their attendents all seem to have a sense of humour.)

If you are interested in the seat configuration of your flight I suggest you check out seatguru.com. They rank the comfort of seating on all the major us carriers. You also might want to check out flyertalk.com where they talk about flying and carriers in general. I fly quite a bit and still enjoy it. Major changes in 30 years; Seat pitch is smaller, food is worse but still mostly edible especially trans-continental, entertainment is better, stewards/esses are not as genial, security is way more evident, but not obnoxious (most of the time).

Not to worry, have a good time.

Paris? You GO Girl!

Here are some things you’ll find different, although some of them have already been mentioned:

As Susanann pointed out, “Stews” are now Flight Attendants. They may be male, over 25, conservatively dressed, or any combination of the above. If this is progress or not depends on one’s point of view.

Male passengers will not be wearing coats and ties. The female passengers won’t be in their Sunday Go To Meetin’ outfits. Indeed, you will see travelers in shorts, ripped jeans, and other unseemly garb. Again, if this is progress or not depends on one’s point of view.

Contrary to other poster’s opinions, I carry nothing on board with me, except maybe a book. Place it all in baggage, because the process of having your carry-on luggage searched is annoying. It’s hard enough to get through the screening without getting strip-searched as it is.

Be at the airport much earlier than you used to. Two hours ahead of flight time isn’t too early.

Tip: If, after you’ve checked your baggage, you find that you forgot and still have your pocket knife with you (I know you carry one), look around for a large potted plant. When you’re certain you’re not being observed, stick the knife down into the dirt in the plant pot. Dig knife back up on your return. (Worked for me)

Enjoy your trip with your granddaughter! :slight_smile:

This is very, very clever, and unfortunately strikes me as exactly the sort of thing that, if noticed, would result in a long, long stay in a little room.

I can’t remember if it’s Seattle or Nashville, but one of those airports has a service near gate security that allows you to mail certain types of forbidden items to yourself. I hope this service catches on everywhere; I pity all the little old ladies who have their best knitting needles taken away. This sort of thing is SO silly; anyone could sharpen a plastic toothbrush into a lethal shiv inflight, if they had a mind to.

Some good information, lots of misinformation here.
According to the
TSA website (and they should know!)
The following items are allowed on planes:
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[li]eyeglasses repair tools (including small screwdrivers)[/li][li]Nail files[/li][li]Nail clippers[/li][li]Personal care or toiletries with areosols in limited quanties[/li][li]Scissors plastic or metal with rounded tips (pointed metal scissors are not allowed)[/li][/ul]
The list is mum on flashlights, but I travel with one or two mini Mag-lites in my briefcase every week. ::: shrug::: YMMV I guess
2. Metal is not the problem, I travel with a license plate for the cars I drive, never have a problem. Items they cannot identify is the problem. One thing they are death on is tools of any type. I have had end wrenches, and allen wrenches (tossed into my briefcase by mistake) taken away. From the TSA website

  1. DO NOT put any film into your checked luggage, the X-Ray machine for checked luggage is more powerful and will fog your film.
  2. Judging by the number of TSA “We opened your luggage” notes I have gotten over the last three years, I would change the probably in your statement to maybe or might. A month or so ago I got into a conversation with a baggage guy for United at Denver. According to him United in Denver handles about 100,000 pieces of luggage per day at that airport alone. There is no way in hell the TSA could open every bag even if they wanted to. Again what you have in the bag will determine if your bag gets opened. When I travel with lots of tools and test equipment my bag gets opened 100%. Just clothes, never.
  3. Best. Piece. Of. Advice. Yet. Flying internationl three hours before flight time is not too early. If you are late, the security lines will be long. If you are early they will be short.

This is certainly nice. I travel a lot and usually fairly long distances (Japan - N-E America - Europe) and this helps. These systems will typically have three movies playing in loops on different channels. You can decide which movie you want to see on your private tv screen. Last summer, I flew Malaysian Airlines and you could even play video games on that system.

A word of advice: drink a lot. The air in an airplane is very, very dry and you dehydrate fairly quickly. Plus, you’ll have a good excuse to stretch your legs when you go to the bathroom.

That being said, appart from the on-demand entertainment system, I’m surprised at how little international flights have changed in the 25 years or so I’ve been flying.

I was bemused to have my violin and case given a thorough 10 minute search - until they discovered that what they thought was a razor blade was actually my practice mute, a 2-inch piece of rubber :rolleyes:

Walloon, Once again, you are my research hero! At my age I like where my seat is located…close to the bathroom. I’ve already chosen my movies to fall asleep to! Being located close to the lavatory justifies the expense of those Bose noise cancellation headphones. :smiley:

[bGorillaMan**, since Paris is a little hilly, I gave in at the last minute and got a fold up cane that I will carry in my purse. I will just get it out a little earlier than I had planned.

John Carter, I have two big Swiss army knives and then two little ones on my keychains. I will pack one of the big ones in my checked baggage and try to remember to rid myself of the others before leaving home. But you are wickedly clever! I had previously used potted palms only for espionage missions.

picunurse, cute shoes! :smiley: Thanks for all of your suggestions. I am going to be wearing compression hose. I found some in a catalogue and they are even better than support hose. I’m carrying along some regular hose too in case the other are too tight. My shoes are roomy and easy on/easy off. I know some foot and leg exercises to do also. I’m wearing comfy clothes but a little chic for me. After all…it’s Paris. :cool:

Rick, thanks for the link. Looks like I’m going to have to leave behind my meat cleaver, saw, saber and axe too. (sigh)

PictsiePat, I’m going now to check out seatguru.com! Thanks for the suggestion.

Again, my thanks to all of you for your tremendous kindness in taking so much time in answering my questions!

Zoe (from the Jack Daniels District of the United States)

Even business travellers don’t usually dress up anymore, except perhaps those heading directly to a meeting where they’ll want to have on their power suit, without any chance to change in between.