# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 136
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2702 "2018-01-15T02:24:58Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I did not miss the point. Calling countries “shitholes” in and of itself is not racist. End of story. That is, like your opinion dude. 🙂 This is Trump, the context shows that it is par for the course when one deals with Trump. > **[Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020](https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history)** > > Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise. I have to agree with the historians, the conservatives and republicans that did see it as racist, and my wife. > [@anomalous1](#): > > Those searching for an angle or a motive may find otherwise. That is all there is to it and the entire point of my argument. You also miss that it was pointed that Republicans that had better brains than a goldfish did agree that it was racist, so my point also stands, you are willfully enjoying catching the ignorant fleas from dumb old conservative hounds. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2703 "2018-01-15T02:28:09Z")
Thanks to **wolfpup** and others for eloquently putting dotards like **Starving** in their place. (_ **I wonder if they even have passports.** _ I traveled through Europe on business with an American who refused to go to restaurants or hotels that didn’t take American Express. When I asked him why he had no interest in non-American culture he said all he wanted was to go to sleep to the sound of “Star Spangled Banner” when a TV station signed off!.) > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There may not be many who feel as I do on this board, there are millions of us out in the real world, and at least 65 million of us\* are fed up enough with your bullshit to have put Donald Trump in the White House despite his many shortcomings. > > \*Disclaimer: I did not vote for Trump and am not a supporter of him as a person. **Starving** brags that he did not vote for Hillary, so even if he’s truthful about not voting for Trump he effectively gave him half a vote. And lets dispose of the idea that **Starving** is aware of Trump’s “many shortcomings.” Searching just now I see **Starving** has made more posts about Trump than **Bricker** has made praising the democratic virtues of voter suppression. He’s mentioned “Trump” in 165 different _threads_. (All searches for _Posts_ ran into the 500 result limit.) Here are just a few of the fawning posts to turn up. (There were far too many to sift through, particularly since the ignorances were sickening. But **Starving** has invested many hours on this Board extolling Trump’s greatness.) _ **I have highlighted some of the sentences in these Starving posts.** _ The first one was in early 2004 shortly after Starving joined the Board. > [@The Apprentice. 3/4/04](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-3-4-04/232515/64): > > _ **Trump has an MBA from Wharton.** _ And I believe his father died long after Trump became successful and well-known. “The Art of the Deal” was published prior to his father’s death. > > True, his father was in the construction business and Trump learned a lot from him, and he may (or may not) have had some financial assistance from his father starting out, but The Donald is one sharp cookie and his accomplishments, especially at such a young age (he was only 44 when “The Art of the Deal” was written) are truly astounding. MBA, hunh? Can we see the original certificate please? 😛 My narcissism caused me to click on “Does Trump even want to be President?” since I started that thread in June 2016. [quote=“Starving\_Artist, post:10, topic:754142”] I submit that Trump does want to be president, and I believe his overriding motive is based on a determination to do economic battle with other countries and to straighten out the U.S. economy in ways he believes it needs to be straightened out. I came upon the following video about an hour ago and in clips over the last 40 years or so Trump has been remarkably consistent about how other countries are screwing the U.S, what bad economic policies the U.S. has been engaging in, and about how he didn’t really want to be president but would consider it if things got bad enough. I think his entire modus operandi is cynically geared to manipulate people into voting for him for a variety of other reasons which he knows will resonate with them, but what he really wants to do is get into office and kick butt economically. It’s an interesting video and well worth the time. [/QUOTE] In fairness to Starving here’s a post expressing worry about a possible Trump Presidency: > [@What will a Trump Presidency be like?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-a-trump-presidency-be-like/755356/23): > > … I’m telling you guys, I’ve followed Trump for decades, and more and more I have the sinking feeling he’s going to get himself elected. He’s hella smart, knows exactly what he’s doing and what he can get away with and how he’ll come out ahead despite (or perhaps because of) all his flip-flops, belligerent rhetoric and ambiguity on the issues. He knows things about the American electorate that nobody else knows (and most would think impossible if they weren’t seeing it with their own eyes) and how to use it to his advantage. Harry Reid himself has warned about the danger of underestimating Donald Trump and I’d suggest to anyone convinced he’ll never win the presidency that they keep this in mind. > [@What the hell is Trump?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/119): > > Oh, please. He built the business up to levels his father never reached…and in Manhattan, where his father was afraid to operate. He was a huge success and had already become a multi-billionaire by the time he ran into trouble in the early nineties. (This would be some twenty years after being handed the reins of the Trump Organization, btw, and in no rational sense his father’s business.) He fought long and hard to emerge from the downturn that saw him almost personally bankrupt and has battled back since to earn another multi-billion dollar fortune. Twice he’s earned multi-billion dollar fortunes and of course he gets credit for that. Building a fortune is building a fortune, and building one again from scratch after almost losing it all is even more impressive, as it demonstrates ability and not just luck. > > Every day Donald Trump deals effectively with highly intelligent and highly educated architects, bankers, investors and businessmen, most of whom are at the top of their game. _ **He is probably a genius and is and more accomplished by orders of magnitude than almost anybody. He’s not just one in a million but one in three hundred million, as there doesn’t seem to be anyone else the country remotely like him.** _ Others have made bigger fortunes, but not in as difficult a way or as difficult a business as real estate development. > > If you want to cover your ears and go “LALALALALA” to keep from having to face the facts about a guy you don’t like and are loathe to give credit to, that’s your prerogative, but I wouldn’t expect to win over many converts with the claims and denials you’re making if I were you. In the next post, we learn that Trump is indeed playing 7-dimensional chess. His shitholes and pussy-grabbing is all part of an Einsteinian plot to Make America Great Again. > [@Donald Trump announces presidential run](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-announces-presidential-run/722679/254): > > … Trump complains a lot about America’s state of affairs and other things he doesn’t like, but you don’t hear him complaining about his private difficulties or misfortunes and you don’t hear him taking pains to make sure people understand him correctly, or understand and accept whatever it is he’s up to. > > _ **Trump is a brilliant guy. He always knows what he’s doing and it’s rarely what everyone thinks it is. He’s always got something up his sleeve and is usually working to achieve things about three or four levels beyond what he appears to be doing on the surface.** _ > > … he’s an exceedingly smart and clever guy. > > People who dismiss Trump as a fool or a dolt or an idiot and who tend to dismiss his business success as due to inherited wealth and serial bankruptcy show by their very words they don’t know what they’re talking about. They remind me of the sort of people who belittle Ringo Starr’s drumming ability. True musicians and\*\*\* true money men (i.e., the bankers and investors who finance Trump’s ventures) know where the talent really lies and you don’t hear them running down the abilities or either Ringo Starr or Donald Trump\*\*\*. > > I’m far from convinced that Trump is serious about becoming president. It could be that business has become boring and mundane and he relishes the idea of negotiating with politicos and foreign leaders as being more challenging. But you can pretty well bet that whatever he’s up to, he knows damn well what he wants to accomplish by it. And you can lay pretty good odds that he will. I’ve highlighted a quote about bankers. Does **Starving** know that American banks became so disgusted with the Donald’s frauds that he had to turn to Russia for financing? ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2704 "2018-01-15T02:33:59Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is, like your opinion dude. 🙂 > > This is Trump, the context shows that it is par for the course when one deals with Trump. > > [Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020 - Vox](https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history) > > I have to agree with the historians, the conservatives and republicans that did see it as racist, and my wife. > You also miss that it was pointed that Republicans that had better brains than a goldfish did agree that it was racist, so my point also stands, you are willfully enjoying catching the ignorant fleas from dumb old conservative hounds. I am not taking my opinions from others. I think for myself. If someone happens to agree, well… then they agree. Just opinions, man. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2705 "2018-01-15T02:35:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ridiculous. You know perfectly well that the issue with these things goes to their effectiveness and desirability and not their expense, or at least not primarily. Most who’ve had to deal with the bureaucratic ordeal of just trying to get a drivers license don’t want the government anywhere near their health care. I’ll tell my mother. She went into the emergency ward of the public hospital with chest pains late last year, she was admitted on the spot, and a heart bypass was done the next day, and she was home a week later and being visited regularly by the district nurse, with daily home help for the housework. It cost her nothing but the taxes she’d paid all her working life, because in New Zealand we consider it the responsibility of society to care for its aged and unwell, and we elect governments that make healthcare a priority. What you don’t seem to grasp is that this isn’t some boast about intangibles like whose country is greater, but that if I and many others from around the world emigrated to the US, our standard of living, not to mention quality of life, would take a substantial and quantifiable hit. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2706 "2018-01-15T02:36:02Z")
I think I’ll stick with facts. ETA: response to anomalous1 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2707 "2018-01-15T02:43:30Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > I’ll tell my mother. She went into the emergency ward of the public hospital with chest pains late last year, she was admitted on the spot, and a heart bypass was done the next day, and she was home a week later and being visited regularly by the district nurse, with daily home help for the housework. It cost her nothing but the taxes she’d paid all her working life, because in New Zealand we consider it the responsibility of society to care for its aged and unwell, and we elect governments that make healthcare a priority. What you don’t seem to grasp is that this isn’t some boast about intangibles like whose country is greater, but that if I and many others from around the world emigrated to the US, our standard of living, not to mention quality of life, would take a substantial and quantifiable hit. Well, yeah, but your crime rate is a _lot_ lower. And I bet your wage gap is smaller too. How you like that, socialist boy?! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2708 "2018-01-15T02:44:36Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I am not taking my opinions from others. I think for myself. It is clear that your sarcasm radar is broken, read again and you will see that I concluded it was racist before I asked others. > [@](#): > > If someone happens to agree, well… then they agree. 9 > > Just opinions, man. That’s all. Just that some opinions are more educated and others like yours ignorant, or coming from an anomalous brain, so please proceed governor… Or president, if he is reading. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2709 "2018-01-15T02:56:32Z")
Now, going back to the shithole comment… Apparently, some folks are imagining a plane landing in the worst areas of Port-au-Prince, letting down the ladder, and yelling “C’mon, folks! Free ride to the States, no waiting!” Or the Spanish equivalent, anyway… Don’t work like that, sunshine. Immigrants, of any type, are searchingly vetted - education, background, language skills, all that. Now, it just may be me, but I’m more impressed by the guy from one of those “shithole countries” who can meet the standards imposed, that the privileged guy from Norway. That first one has shown a whole lot more guts and initiative, overcoming a really crappy background, than the second. Sounds to me like the former would make an excellent citizen. Or is the real problem, anomalous1, the fact that these people are far more worthy to be Americans than you are? After all, what had _you_ done to qualify for citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2710 "2018-01-15T03:00:41Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Someone here may want to query **Starving Artist** on his no doubt extensive overseas experience that allows him to pontificate with such certainty on the hardships of living in those liberal shitholes that all y’all poor bastards inhabit. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I, personally, am _glad_ my taxes go to making sure that anyone who needs medical care - whether they’re a homeless person, a fast food worker, a building site manager, a CEO, or whoever - can get it for free if they need it. Like, _no shit_. Likewise, this Canuck _embraces_ having my not-so-spectacular income getting taxed to help those much less fortunate than myself. This isn’t about some sanctimonious, self-serving, selflessness, this is about doing a very basic, human thing, and why such a significant segment on the right can’t get their fucking head around this basic concept is one of the inexcusably tragic failings with that side of the aisle. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2711 "2018-01-15T03:32:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Most who’ve had to deal with the bureaucratic ordeal of just trying to get a drivers license don’t want the government anywhere near their health care. Yes, because we all know that the bureaucracy of the private insurance companies have only your best interests at heart. Why does every reputable study comparing health care across countries show that the U.S. has much greater overhead and bureaucracy? In most other advanced countries, doctor’s offices have to deal with one bureaucracy in billing whereas in the U.S. they have to deal with the bureaucracies of all the private insurance companies (in addition to Medicare/Medicaid). I remember a doctor in Canada explaining to me how his practice of several doctors had one admin person who spent part of her time on billing issues whereas corresponding practices that size in the U.S. have several admin people who work full time on billing issues. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2712 "2018-01-15T03:33:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, in the first place, Trump didn’t announce that comment publicly. He was outed for it by opponents eager for any opportunity to do him in. So he never intended for the countries in question to hear his having said that. And I’m sure virtually every president, even the one sometimes referred to as Obamassiah, have used such phraseology in private. But everyone on both sides is out to get Trump and so any and everything he does or says is leaked to the press and alleged to be of earthshakingly negative importance and distorted or blown out of proportion. Trump, if he had two brain cells to rub together, would know that comments like this in a meeting which included the opposition was not going to stay secret. I can think of private jokes made by people 40 years ago which got out and caused a furor. If Trump had any self control, he wouldn’t have said it in that meeting. Its impact was magnified by the similar things he has said in the past. The person whose campaign was non-step denigration of his opponents can hardly complain about his own words being used against him. Remember, the DNC emails were private also. > [@](#): > > And as far as Commies go, China and Russia are becoming more capitalistic by the day, China especially. You can tell by how well they’re doing now as opposed to their staunchly communist days. And I doubt very much that anyone or anything has handed Africa to the Chinese. It’s not that easy for a thousand different reasons. Hmm. Russia is more of a kleptocracy now - the accumulation of wealth and power just like in the Communist days without the party or ideology. Putin is more concerned with building the empire. But as for China, remember that the party is still the party, and any capitalist who does something the party doesn’t want to see is going to wind up in jail or worse. Remember when the stock market there was falling and the party stepped in to forbid sales of certain stocks? They let capitalism happen only to the extent it helps the party. Even the companies with huge debts who are still buying like crazy say they are buying stuff the party wants them to buy. > [@](#): > > I’m sure you do. You guys always find ways to call people who disagree with you stupid or evil. And you’ve so overplayed these accusations toward anyone who opposes you so badly that all these terms really mean anymore is not-liberal. Hardly an insult in my book. I guess you don’t know the history of Communism very well. When I was a conservative I read Whittaker Chambers’ autobiography. He’s the guy - former Communist - who exposed Alger Hiss. Useful idiot is the non-communist who furthers communist goals through idealism or whatever. And I was referring to Trump more than to you, since Trump is furthering the goals of the Chinese quite well through his racism and incompetence. The journalists during the '30s who went to the Soviet Union and were shown pretty villages with happy peasants and who came back and wrote about what a great job Stalin was doing were useful idiots, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2713 "2018-01-15T03:51:05Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I did not miss the point. Calling countries “shitholes” in and of itself is not racist. End of story. Those searching for an angle or a motive may find otherwise. That is all there is to it and the entire point of my argument. “Shithole” is very clearly a pejorative; indeed it’s basically the strongest pejorative that one could use for describing a country. _Of course_ it’s going to offend many people – whether we call it racist, profoundly ignorant or just retarded, is a wash. I live in a world where Trump is president and yet still some things can shock me, and the defense of the shithole comment fits into that bracket: “Oh, what he meant by _shithole_ was their GDP per capita is below the average for OECD countries…” And yeah, the ignorance of it. I appreciate some americans who haven’t travelled may imagine all of africa, all 11 million sq miles of it, as just a big desert, with dirt poor people walking around barefoot. But it’s fucking embarrassing for a president to think like that. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2714 "2018-01-15T03:53:03Z")
[Here’s how immigrants from countries Trump slammed really do in the US](https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/1/14/16890042/immigrants-trump-us-tps-shithole-countries-economic-outcomes). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2715 "2018-01-15T03:58:03Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I did not miss the point. Calling countries “shitholes” in and of itself is not racist. End of story. Those searching for an angle or a motive may find otherwise. That is all there is to it and the entire point of my argument. Calling a country - when talking about the state of the country itself (poverty, crime, destruction due to natural disaster, etc) is not, in and of itself, racist. When in the context of Imigration - when you are in fact talking about the people from those countries, especially as comparing them to people of norway - is racist. Now crawl back to the bridge you came from. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2716 "2018-01-15T03:58:33Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Now, going back to the shithole comment… > > Apparently, some folks are imagining a plane landing in the worst areas of Port-au-Prince, letting down the ladder, and yelling “C’mon, folks! Free ride to the States, no waiting!” Or the Spanish equivalent, anyway… > > Don’t work like that, sunshine. > > Immigrants, of any type, are searchingly vetted - education, background, language skills, all that. > Now, it just may be me, but I’m more impressed by the guy from one of those “shithole countries” who can meet the standards imposed, that the privileged guy from Norway. That first one has shown a whole lot more guts and initiative, overcoming a really crappy background, than the second. Sounds to me like the former would make an excellent citizen. > > Or is the real problem, anomalous1, the fact that these people are far more worthy to be Americans than you are? After all, what had _you_ done to qualify for citizenship? No, they are not, at least up to a decent standard. ‘Seems’ Doesn’t make it so. No, they are not more worthy than I. If I were in that situation, I would hardly need to earn citizenship. Since I’m not, your point is invalid. Enjoy your liberal fantasy land, what you imagine doesn’t make it actionable, It’s time for all of you to grow up and enter the real world. I see nothing but pointless hypothetical drivel from a wide bunch of diluted and brainwashed minds who reach for strawmen every chance they get, to avoid the inevitable conclusion that all they have left is to play the race card, otherwise they wouldn’t have anything else to whine about. You libs (not all, i’m fair) are so pathetic, its laughable, but the kind of laughing that is inappropriate since it would be laughing at someone with diminished mental capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2717 "2018-01-15T04:00:15Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ridiculous. You know perfectly well that the issue with these things goes to their effectiveness and desirability and not their expense, or at least not primarily. Most who’ve had to deal with the bureaucratic ordeal of just trying to get a drivers license don’t want the government anywhere near their health care. Gee, the last time I went to the DMV to renew my driver’s license, here in Socialist California, it was a lot more efficient than getting a cellphone. I went to the Social Security office last month. Wait - with a reservation - of under 5 minutes. We were doing something reasonably complicated, and the person we spoke to was very knowledgeable as well as helpful and friendly. I’d say it was in the top 10% of “capitalist” interactions I’ve had. Medicare has been as easy or easier to deal with than my private insurance, gotten through work. Maybe you are one of those “keep the government’s hands off my Medicare” people. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2718 "2018-01-15T04:00:59Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Calling a country - when talking about the state of the country itself (poverty, etc) is not racist. > > When in the context of Imigration - when you are in fact talking about the people from those countries, especially as comparing them to people of norway - is racist. > > Now crawl back to the bridge you came from. Someone seems to be missing the point. The state of a country is defined by its inhabitants. If they can’t take care of their own, why would they do better elsewhere. Its not that much of a stretch of the imagination… I thought liberals, with their incessant stretching of the truth and fact and immeasurable capacity for fantasy, could grasp such a little, simple concept. I suppose not, it would be asking too much. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2719 "2018-01-15T04:05:07Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Well, yeah, but your crime rate is a _lot_ lower. And I bet your wage gap is smaller too. How you like that, socialist boy?! Don’t get me started on the statutory 6 months paid maternity leave\*. I guess we’re just not as GREAT as the go-getting freedom-loving denizens of countries which don’t let those lazy bitches loll about at home suckling on the taxpayers’ teat like the lazy babies suckling on their actual teat when they could be out sweeping chimneys or selling matches in the street, the fat toothless little socialist parasites, thinking milk comes for free. Y’know, GREAT countries like [Liberia, Sierra Leone, Papua New Guinea and, ooh, one other, it’s on the tip of my tongue.](http://djilp.org/6121/a-comparison-of-maternity-rights-across-the-world/) \*Which is distinctly average by OECD standards. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2720 "2018-01-15T04:09:34Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Enjoy your liberal fantasy land, what you imagine doesn’t make it actionable, It’s time for all of you to grow up and enter the real world. The real world did notice that you claimed to think for yourself… on a thread where you told everyone that you only need to follow or repost what SA is posting. So, you need to do it first indeed… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2721 "2018-01-15T04:11:02Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Someone seems to be missing the point. We agree on this. > [@anomalous1](#): > > The state of a country is defined by its inhabitants. If they can’t take care of their own, why would they do better elsewhere. Liberals have this trick they use. It’s called evidence-based reasoning. Immigration is not a new concept. It’s been one of the center pillars of American society since before we were even a country. America has always had immigrants entering the country and we’ve always turned them into Americans, regardless of what country they came from. And historically, people who were coming to America tended to come from poorer countries. People in poor countries are the ones most likely to be looking for a chance to improve their lives. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=135) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=137)