# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2822 "2018-01-16T18:45:24Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Just where do you get the idea that liberalism takes the fun out of life? But it’s true. It also causes tooth decay, chronic constipation and scrotal droop. You wouldn’t believe the amount of damage leftists have caused. Only someone of his era, who’s _lived_ it, can fully understand. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2823 "2018-01-16T19:31:26Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > It’s been obsolete for 50 years. That’s okay. So has **SA**. Remember, the hippies destroyed America and this dystopian hellscape we live in is all their fault. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2824 "2018-01-16T20:10:45Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > But it’s true. It also causes tooth decay, chronic constipation and scrotal droop. Even for women! Do not take liberalism if you are allergic to any of the ingredients in liberalism. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2825 "2018-01-16T20:13:18Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Oh lawd! Get that man a passport. I’d prefer a nation-wide eviction notice. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2826 "2018-01-16T20:55:16Z")
In keeping with all the rest of the 'pubs chicanery преЦАРдент Trump is still [all steam ahead](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806) in dealing with all those pesky work safety inspectors. > [@](#): > > …as with many other federal agencies, OSHA has faced headwinds in hiring in Trump’s first year: A government-wide hiring freeze; a push to reduce the workforce through attrition; proposed budget cuts; and deep uncertainty about future funding. That’s bogged down the hiring process in a bureaucracy that’s already notorious for taking its time, making it more challenging to staff up even when administration officials believe that new additions are warranted… > [@](#): > > Reduced staff has made it even harder for OSHA to do its job properly, said David Michaels, who headed OSHA during the Obama administration. “It means there’s greater pressure to quickly reach a settlement with the employer, which often means reduced fines,” he said. “The lack of new inspectors makes OSHA invisible. If employers don’t think OSHA will come, workers are much more likely to be hurt.” The article goes on to mention how places like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and especially Mississippi are being affected adversely: > [@](#): > > “They can’t do it all, they can’t keep up,” said Berkowitz, now a fellow at the National Employment Law Project. “What we noticed in Mississippi is there were a lot of reports of very serious injuries that OSHA wasn’t inspecting.” > Clyde Payne, former head of OSHA’s office in Jackson, said he’s concerned about the risks to workers at Mississippi’s smaller shipyards and construction companies. But then horseshit has to rear its pinkish-purply head: > [@](#): > > “The bottom line is OSHA inspections were up for the first time in five years,” [Labor Department spokesman Eric] Holland said. Yeah right - gotta cite for that, asshole? Seems my google-fu isn’t up to scratch. or this bullocks: > [@](#): > > “Inspectors don’t make workplaces safe. People and programs do by working to prevent problems before they occur and by creating workplace cultures where safety is top of mind,” said Eric Mittenthal of the North American Meat Institute, the meatpacking industry’s biggest trade association. Oh, I see, so “people” are the solution, then? Wow! Innovative! And these “programs” you trot out don’t _really_ sound like they’re doing their part, as evidenced by the earlier quote about Mississppi, where there were a lot of reports of very serious injuries that OSHA wasn’t inspecting. > [@](#): > > “In many if not most agencies, the leadership has maintained an effective freeze,” said Max Stier, president and CEO of the nonpartisan Partnership for Public Service, which focuses on improving the federal workforce. “It took what was already an overly laborious hiring process and made it even more difficult to bring in talent.” ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2827 "2018-01-16T21:04:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I would assume that patients needing care when they aren’t governmentally adjudged capable of living through their pain and disease, illness, whatever, are entered into some sort of registry from which waitees are drawn when the time finally arrives that they can get care. So my question was, how do those at the bottom manage to get to the head of the list, given that, you know, new and more critical patients are entering the system all the time. It’s good that you ask this question. In the US, as in all countries, access to transplants is based on need. The sicker patients get the transplants first and the others wait either until they become sick enough to require a more immediate transplant or they are the best match for the organ. In both systems the sickest patients go to the head of the list and the others wait In both systems, it is possible for the very rich to get around the system and get a transplant sooner, as long as they are willing to pay out of pocket. The only difference is that in the US there is an additional layer of restriction where no matter how critical you are, if you have the wrong insurance or not enough money, you can be denied. Regarding waiting periods for hip transplants: In both systems if you are rich enough to pay cash you can get immediate care. Under UHC, you may wait 6 months for a routine surgery but you will treated quickly if you are in significant pain. Under the US system, you may be treated more quickly if you are not in pain but you may have to wait if you are in pain. Wait times for some orthopedic visits in this area are 4 months just to be seen. When there is only one participating orthopedist within 20 miles (as there are for many health plans), they may be booked for another 6 months for routine surgery so that your wait time may be even longer. In addition, don’t forget the wait time to have the surgery approved by your insurance before you can schedule it. So which is preferable, determining wait times based on how much pain the person is in and how desperately they need the surgery or on which doctors choose to participate in your particular health plan and on how long it takes to scrape up the money for the copays and deductibles (which you often have to have before some doctors will even schedule surgery). > [@](#): > > I prefer a good, contract-based health care system where you get what you contracted for and you get it without having to await approval from some anonymous bureaucrat. Then you would hate the US system where there is no standardization and decisions are made by anonymous bureaucrats. Here is a true example: Patient has ulcerative colitis. Standard of care is to do a colonoscopy every 2 years which the patient has done regularly. Patient develops severe pain and fever and needs a semiurgent colonoscopy. Doctor (me) spends an hour on the telephone with an untrained “preauthorization specialist” who insists that the patient cannot have a colonoscopy became it has only been 1 1/2 years since the last one. Doctor asks for a peer-to-peer review and has to wait 2 days for the insurance to call back. Doctor is interrupted in the middle of an patient visit for the peer-to-peer (because if I don’t pick up immediately who knows when they will call back). Doctor spends a half hour arguing that a flexible sigmoidoscopy (an easier but more painful procedure) will not be adequate because the patient will still have to undergo a complete colonoscopy to make sure there is not a problem further up in the colon. Doctor finally convinces the peer-to-peer reviewer and is told authorization will be sent in a few days. Doctor returns to a patient who is upset about the 30 minute wait. Patient is then informed that they can call their gastroenterologist to schedule the procedure. Procedure is still kept on hold until authorization comes through. It is estimated that the average per-physician cost for dealing with the bureaucracy in the US is $80,000 yearly, which does not include the time and aggravation. > [@](#): > > Also people like to achieve things. it gives them a rewarding sense of accomplishment. It creates a great sense of satisfaction to look at the nice house your family is living in, and to look at the nice clothes they wear and the nice, big comfortable and powerful car they have to drive around in, and know that your accomplishments are what made it possible. Thank you for proving my point above. It gives me a great sense of satisfaction to live in a _comfortable_ house and wear _comfortable_ clothes and to drive a reliable car that I know won’t break down and won’t guzzle gas or pollute the air (250K miles and still going). It gives me a great sense of satisfaction to breathe clean air and be able to know that the water I drink is safe and healthy, to have beautiful natural parks to enjoy and to not feel restricted by the mores of even 20 years ago (when I would have been required to wear skirts and jackets as well as pantyhose and heels to work and would have chronic back and foot pain). How much more satisfying it is to be able to wear pants and tennis shoes to work. I’m sure that for men, it must be great not to have to wear ties every day (which serve no usable purpose except to strangle you). Of course, I don’t live in a tiny place. I have a 3 bedroom, 3 1/2 bath townhouse which frankly is too much for me and the cats. I wish I had not been so eager to have this large a place (although I did turn down much larger places that I certainly could have afforded). As I noted above, I have been guilty to an extent of this type of thinking in the past; but now I still think it is sad and lament the time wasted on it, when there are so many other things that improve life so much more and are worthy of fighting for. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2828 "2018-01-16T21:18:20Z")
239 pounds? Hardy fucking har har. They need to get a Go Fund Me page for Walter Reed to get a new set of scales. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2829 "2018-01-16T21:26:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > 239 pounds? Hardy fucking har har. They need to get a Go Fund Me page for Walter Reed to get a new set of scales. Assuming he’s 6-4, that still puts him at 29.1 BMI-overweight. 6-2 30.7-obese 6-0 32.4 obese ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2830 "2018-01-16T21:26:59Z")
Seriously casts doubt on all the results. “Mr President…please but \*both \*feet on the scale, thank you.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2831 "2018-01-16T21:37:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > 239 pounds? Hardy fucking har har. They need to get a Go Fund Me page for Walter Reed to get a new set of scales. It was in kilos. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2832 "2018-01-16T22:04:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > 239 pounds? Hardy fucking har har. They need to get a Go Fund Me page for Walter Reed to get a new set of scales. I’ll bet he had baldwin stand in for him. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2833 "2018-01-16T22:20:13Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Then you would hate the US system where there is no standardization and decisions are made by anonymous bureaucrats. > Here is a true example: … **psychobunny** , thank you for providing a specific example of just what I was talking about earlier ([over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20725468&postcount=2768), specifically). It is of course the private insurance system that imposes the need for “approval from some anonymous bureaucrat” because that’s the very nature of how insurance companies operate, and it’s the _ **absence** _ of that bureaucracy that is the hallmark of single-payer public systems, because their payments are essentially automatic and cost controls function at the policy level of periodic fee negotiations and not by imposing a bureaucracy on clinical decision-making. That **Starving Artist** has this exactly backwards is yet more evidence of how appallingly clueless many conservatives are about how health care really works in other countries and how brainwashed they’ve been by insurance industry and right-wing propaganda. And when **SA** goes on about some imaginary “government registry” for wait lists it’s just downright funny because he’s really fantasizing some absurd alternate reality. Wait lists and the triage process are a resource management issue and hence the responsibility of individual health care providers like hospitals. In most countries these are independent enterprises and most doctors are essentially private businesses. Indeed one of the very important characteristics of single-payer type UHC is that clinical decisions are made by medical professionals on behalf of their patients, while in the private health insurance business clinical decisions are meddled in by insurance bureaucrats on behalf of their profiteering employers and its bottom line. It’s becoming evident to me that explaining this over and over again is a futile waste of time as some right-wingers are apparently so far gone in their ideological fervor that they either cannot or will not understand how health care really works in other countries. They just have blanket ideological mantras like “government is always evil and bureaucratic” and extrapolate that mantra to how they imagine everything must work even when they don’t have the vaguest fucking clue what they’re talking about. In this respect they perfectly model their Dear Leader: they don’t know anything, and they have no interest in knowing anything. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2834 "2018-01-16T22:29:53Z")
“The Fake News Media always takes pictures of me with a special camera that adds fifty-five pounds! Sad!” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2835 "2018-01-16T22:34:42Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > “The Fake News Media always takes pictures of me with a special camera that adds fifty-five pounds! Sad!” Must have used two of those cameras at once. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2836 "2018-01-16T22:41:12Z")
Informative and enlightening post, **psychobunny**. Thanks for taking the time to post it. You know, I have to admit that, being on Medicare myself, things in regard to my own healthcare have gone a lot better than I expected. My problem, however, is the specter of what health care would become once the government would gain complete control over it. I’ve simply seen too many unpleasant and frustrating and borderline futile experiences occur when people have to deal with a large bureaucracy manned by utterly unconcerned and unmotivated bureaucrats who have no incentive to do right by their constituents and largely couldn’t care less about the people they herd through like cattle, and I’m far too aware of the chronic financial shortfall that seems to accompany anything governmental. So while our system currently is far from perfect, it’s still better than what I imagine will be the case should the government ever gain full control of the nation’s healthcare. And I’ve read of too many cases over the years where wait times to see doctors and to get care under UHC have been a huge problem. And while the study I linked to shows some improvement and things don’t seem to be as bad as they were ten years or so ago, they still aren’t very good in my opinion. And it’s certainly true that most people in this country, conservative and liberal alike, are ignorant of how things work in other countries with UHC. They can hardly be blamed for their opposition however, given the lack of information generally available combined with their experiences dealing with governmental agencies in virtually every other regard. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2837 "2018-01-16T22:54:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And it’s certainly true that most people in this country, conservative and liberal alike, are ignorant of how things work in other countries with UHC. They can hardly be blamed for their opposition however, given the lack of information generally available combined with their experiences dealing with governmental agencies in virtually every other regard. There are good people on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2838 "2018-01-16T23:00:34Z")
Anyone who could watch Trump waddle, putter in hand from his golf cart on the green, five feet to where he will putt his ball, and still question his physical fitness is obviously too hyper partisian to be making such judgements. :D:D:D:D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2839 "2018-01-17T00:06:14Z")
[https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf](https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf) How can he really be in this almost superhuman good health when he’s an old fat guy who eats loads of fast food and doesn’t exercise? The only thing he’s got is slightly high cholesterol, not even that bad considering what he supposedly eats. His blood sugar is only 89 and his blood pressure is great. WTH? His HgA1c is great too - with that diet? How is this possible? He is using some kind of preservative on himself? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2840 "2018-01-17T00:13:07Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > [https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf](https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf) > > How can he really be in this almost superhuman good health when he’s an old fat guy who eats loads of fast food and doesn’t exercise? The only thing he’s got is slightly high cholesterol, not even that bad considering what he supposedly eats. His blood sugar is only 89 and his blood pressure is great. WTH? His HgA1c is great too - with that diet? How is this possible? He is using some kind of preservative on himself? White House physicians have to eat too, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2841 "2018-01-17T00:29:06Z")
[Lady and the Trump.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/did-donald-trump-pay-porn-star-stormy-daniels-to-keep-quiet-about-an-affair.html) Summary: Porn star who was paid hush money had a year long affair with Trump starting in November of 2006. Trump and Melania were married in January of 2005. I bet Trump is in for one hell of a Slovenian silent treatment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=143)