# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2862 "2018-01-17T07:45:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The funny thing is (Hi, **ETF** , long time, no see!) that you people are doing the very same thing you’re accusing me of. Those of you in this thread have made up your mind as to what I think, based on your own biased views, and I’ve seen little evidence that anything I say will ever change anybody’s mind, because it never has before. You prefer to interpret things I say in a way that makes it easy for you to mock and dismiss, and almost certainly in the hope that others will be similarly swayed. With respect, **Starving Artist** , you have made several posts in this thread describing life (as you see it) in “Other Countries” as being drab, boring, lacking in personal choice, with people living in tiny houses, driving tiny cars, accepting “adequate” as being good enough, and so on. That’s not me making up things I think you think for the purposes of mockery and dismissal (and I say that as the SDMB’s resident Emperor of Hyperbole) but pointing out how actual things you have said just are not correct. > [@](#): > > Convince me that UHC will work as well as or better than Medicare in perpetuity and I’ll get on board. What sort of thing would convince you? There are posters in this thread saying “UHC is great, it works, and here’s why”. What else do you need? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2863 "2018-01-17T08:08:41Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Many of the fears and concerns you’re expressing – and worse – were also rampant when the province of Saskatchewan proposed the first public health insurance scheme, which at the time was just for hospitalization coverage. Later when it proved very successful, it was extended to full medical coverage. Throughout this process, fear-mongering ran rampant, and the American health insurance lobby along with the AMA went up there to try to convince everyone that it was not only incipient communism but practically Armageddon, and the very least that would happen is that every single doctor would leave the province instead of succumbing to the scourge of socialized medicine. What actually happened was this: the system worked, the people loved it, the medical profession came to accept it, and it eventually was adopted by every single province in Canada, and then its basic principles were enshrined in the Canada Health Act as a foundational pillar of Canadian values. Does that sound like the kind of disaster you’re imagining? It certainly sounds like the kind of disaster the lobbyists and AMA were imagining ;). Which, BTW, is also why Republicans are blowing so much fucking smoke about healthcare. Much like in the case of prisons, the “for profit” model may be inhumane and inevitably lead to abominable results but by god the money’s there to keep it going ! ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2864 "2018-01-17T08:15:16Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Is this any different from how it’s done in the US? It’s different in that what **SA** described does not happen in UHC countries. People in UHC countries may be denied coverage for things which are considered experimental, more risky than the possible benefit are worth, not applicable… They may be denied something such as “a doctor in Boston claims he can cure my child’s rare illness by a treatment neither him nor anybody else have ever used before, I want the UHC system to pay for that including taking my child and me there in a medicalized plane, stay for both of us for as long as I believe the doctor’s claims, etc.” (It’s an actual case). But they may also get a call saying “we just got approval for tests on something which applies to your previously-untreatable condition, when can you come in?” and the treatment will be fully covered. Travel insurance from Spanish companies covers all countries except one and indicates you’re covered for “any non-elective procedures”, where the reference is “what the UHC system covers”. Bigger boobs because, not covered; reconstructive surgery after mastectomy, covered. Braces for aesthetic reasons, not covered; braces because upper palate is too narrow and produces digestive problems, covered. The one country where you can’t apply those insurance policies is the US: for there, you need a laundry list. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2865 "2018-01-17T10:42:44Z")
One of the reasons UHC is better than Medicare? Neither the patient nor the healthcare provider need to demonstrate eligibility for treatments (either in general or for specific treatments), because everyone is eligible. That clears a lot of bureaucracy right out of the way. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2866 "2018-01-17T13:05:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, call me crazy but I think that everything you just listed is yet another example of problems created by liberalism that liberalism then wants conservatism to bear the cost of. In the last fifty years family unity and commonality of responsible two-parent homes has gone by the wayside, schooling as gone way to hell, in the name of fighting racism every sort of self-destructive and burdensome upon society has been defended and in effect promoted, and drugs, seized upon by liberals like manna from heaven in the sixties and an ever-present problem since, are the reason we have so many homeless people as well as others who are a burden on society because due to the way they were raised and schooled can’t hack it in life. Hey crazy! Blaming liberal boogeymen isn’t a panacea for curing all the world’s ills. The reasons for poverty and homelessness are much more complex and varied than an abandonment of values. You think the millions of poor in Asia and Africa are a result of removing prayer from their public schools? You think divorces occur because the husband and wife didn’t go to church enough? Our current president has been married multiple times, habitually lies, has no interest in attending church, and has had numerous affairs. He’s a teetotaler and doesn’t do drugs, or so he claims. As president, he is considered the paragon of American values. You think a liberal value system produced Trump? Times change, like it or not. There’s no reason to expect the J. Edgar-approved nuclear family to stay frozen in time. And what makes you think liberals are the only ones who do drugs? Can’t you hold alcohol accountable as well? Conservatives have been known to be stiff drinkers. Get out of the 50’s. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2867 "2018-01-17T13:47:30Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > And what makes you think liberals are the only ones who do drugs? Can’t you hold alcohol accountable as well? Conservatives have been known to be stiff drinkers. > > Get out of the 50’s. Could we please please please get back to the actual thread topic? If **Starving Artist** wants to lecture everyone for the umpteenth time on his peculiar notions about “Liberal Permissiveness™”, or Universal Health Care, or whatever, he’s perfectly capable of launching a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2868 "2018-01-17T14:15:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And as I said before and as backed up by a Scandinavian Doper herself, plenty of people die under UHC too. Which Doper is that? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2869 "2018-01-17T14:18:35Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > [https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf](https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Summary-of-Physical-Exam-for-President-Trump-12-Jan-2018.pdf) > > How can he really be in this almost superhuman good health when he’s an old fat guy who eats loads of fast food and doesn’t exercise? The only thing he’s got is slightly high cholesterol, not even that bad considering what he supposedly eats. His blood sugar is only 89 and his blood pressure is great. WTH? His HgA1c is great too - with that diet? How is this possible? He is using some kind of preservative on himself? Good genes. Seriously - I’m 6’3, around 230 pounds, pushing 60, eat a lot of crap, don’t exercise much and my numbers are all great. At my last visit, my doctor told me that he figures I’ll outlive him (20 years or so younger) and will need a doctor. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2870 "2018-01-17T15:01:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … and **knowing** as I do the fact that liberals are never, never, ever satisfied with anything, I **know** fully well based upon the things they rant about, that if given free reign communism will be the end result. > [emphasis added - sgs7] [This is what immediately popped into my head when I read the above.](https://youtu.be/dAmSILueixA?t=3m22s) ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2871 "2018-01-17T16:05:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Which Doper is that? Well, to be fair and although I’m definitely not Scandinavian, everybody eventually dies. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2872 "2018-01-17T16:43:26Z")
As the OP, may I ask that we get back to the original purpose of the thread? Thanks. Even Trump’s schedule irritates me. Too much TV and counterproductively stoopid tweeting: [http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/politics/executive-time-donald-trump-phones-twitter/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/politics/executive-time-donald-trump-phones-twitter/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2873 "2018-01-17T20:22:01Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Well, to be fair and although I’m definitely not Scandinavian, everybody eventually dies. Even under UHC, people do die. You know what they rarely die of? Lack of access to affordable healthcare. What were the numbers pre-Obamacare? Somewhere between [22,000 to 45,000 people a year dying in the US due to lack of access to affordable healthcare](https://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/)? And what pisses me off about Trump is that he’s taking us back to that. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2874 "2018-01-17T22:53:14Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Good genes. Seriously - I’m 6’3, around 230 pounds, pushing 60, eat a lot of crap, don’t exercise much and my numbers are all great. At my last visit, my doctor told me that he figures I’ll outlive him (20 years or so younger) and will need a doctor. I’m in worse physical shape than you and my numbers are still fine. For now! My doc said it is possible to be a healthy fat person, but I’m not assuming I’ll be that lucky forever. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2875 "2018-01-18T04:08:43Z")
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**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2876 "2018-01-18T04:20:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Even under UHC, people do die. You know what they rarely die of? Lack of access to affordable healthcare. What were the numbers pre-Obamacare? Somewhere between [22,000 to 45,000 people a year dying in the US due to lack of access to affordable healthcare](https://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/)? > > And what pisses me off about Trump is that he’s taking us back to that. It’s what Republicans want. It helps them fix their Medicare and Social Security funding problems, without having to bother the plutocrats with higher taxes. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2877 "2018-01-18T04:37:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by psychobunny > > > [@](#): > > > > I think you would be surprised. I use these tests regularly (although I usually use the mini-mental status which is a little simpler) and almost nobody gets a perfect score. The serial 7s (subtract 7 from 100 in your head and then keep subtracting by 7s up to 4 more times) trips up anybody with minimal concentration problems and the memory test where people do other tasks then are asked to remember prior random words are very difficult for people with short-term memory loss. These are test that are hard to fake. I can’t tell you how many times somebody appears to be alert and mentally stable yet has mild to moderate impairment on testing. > > What do you think of this opinion re: how easy it would be to cheat the test? Reposting my reply from another thread: Regarding the cognitive testing, it’s hard to memorize them to “cheat” if you actually have dementia. That is why we use the same ones repeatedly to show changes in a patient’s function over time. In addition, it is not like this is the only standardized cognitive test. (Just off the top of my head, there is the Montreal, MMSE, 6-CIT, SLUMS (and when I look them up I also remember the GPCOG, mini-COG, ACE)). I currently use the MMSE or the 6-CIT (there is one insurance company that requests it on Medicare patients) but my electronic record has the SLUMS built in. In short, unless the President was informed ahead of time, he wouldn’t necessarily know which test the doctor was going to use. In additional some of these have variations (the MMSE lets you choose the words you ask patients to remember or which you ask them to spell backwards-I alternate between WORLD and EARTH). So not only would he have the memorize multiple commonly used cognitive tests but he would also have to have the cognitive ability to pass them, which is not easy with dementia. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2878 "2018-01-18T05:00:38Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > There’s now a claim that Trump does, in fact, have heart disease. > > [http://www.bluedotdaily.com/trumps-doctor-now-admits-trump-does-in-fact-have-heart-disease/?utm\_source=facebook&utm\_medium=PL&utm\_campaign=facebook\_PL](http://www.bluedotdaily.com/trumps-doctor-now-admits-trump-does-in-fact-have-heart-disease/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=PL&utm_campaign=facebook_PL) I saw that and posted about it in another thread. He is not the healthiest president (or person) that ever lived, despite what he wants people to believe. It goes along with his insistence that he has certainly never failed at anything - anytime anything he tried went wrong, it was somebody else’s fault. He is the most fabulous [fill in the blank here] the world has ever seen. And he can’t just be in “good” physical or mental shape, he has to claim he runs rings around everyone else in every category ever. That’s why I’m so skeptical that he got such a good physical report, even if it’s from a previously reputable doctor. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2879 "2018-01-18T09:05:17Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Well, to be fair and although I’m definitely not Scandinavian, everybody eventually dies. I was trying to tease out whether the idiot thought **Maastricht** , who he twice cited, was Scandinavian. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2880 "2018-01-18T09:15:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Even though the well is poisoned by the likes of Bernie Sanders and the Young Turks I’d like to see it. I’ll be out that evening though. Do you know if it’ll be available after that one showing? I’m sure they’ll have a recording on the stream on YouTube or wherever afterward, if I see a link I’ll post it here. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/2881 "2018-01-18T10:21:10Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > I’m sure they’ll have a recording on the stream on YouTube or wherever afterward, if I see a link I’ll post it here. Thanks. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I was trying to tease out whether the idiot thought Maastricht, who he twice cited, was Scandinavian. I clearly stated that she was from the Netherlands, you moron. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=143) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=145)