# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 155
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3082 "2018-01-29T23:42:22Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Not the Donald, but Ivanka got Jose Andres thrown out of a restaurant because Andres is a Trump critic. > > [Chef José Andrés Walks Back Claim Ivanka Trump Had Him Booted From Event](https://www.thedailybeast.com/celebrity-chef-and-trump-foe-jose-andres-says-ivanka-trump-had-him-booted-from-event) > [@elucidator](#): > > Isn’t he the guy who went down to Puerto Rico and fed thousands on his own dime? Nobody in that room was fit to shine his fucking shoes, save for the employees. > > And may the Goddess hold him close to Her bountiful bosom all the days of his life, amen! Since the odds are overwhelming that no one else around here will mention it, I feel it incumbent upon myself to announce that Andres has recanted what was only an assumption to begin with. I’ll even provide a suitably left-wing news site as a source so you don’t have to pretend the info is spin. [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/politics/jose-andres-ivanka-trump-cafe-milano/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3083 "2018-01-29T23:48:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **Since the odds are overwhelming that no one else around here will mention it,** I feel it incumbent upon myself to announce that Andres has recanted what was only an assumption to begin with. I’ll even provide a suitably left-wing news site as a source so you don’t have to pretend the info is spin. > > [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/politics/jose-andres-ivanka-trump-cafe-milano/) Post 3076 8:34a (Pacific) Post 3082 2:03p(Pacific) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3084 "2018-01-29T23:53:54Z")
Hahaha, busted! Don’t know how I missed those while I was scrolling for **SK** and **luci’s** posts, but miss them I did, no question. My apologies, and thanks to you, **rc**. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3085 "2018-01-30T03:32:39Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, as I said - he ain’t Hillary. That is a fact. > > He’s also pro-business. This is a good thing and the stock market is reflecting it. > > He’s not a professional politician. That also is a fact. > > He’s very outspoken and most assuredly NOT politically correct. That is not only a fact, but also a breath of fresh in the DC swamps. Pro-business and pro-market are quite different things. > **[Donald Trump’s Economic Policies: Pro-Business, Not Pro-Market - ProMarket](https://www.promarket.org/2017/01/12/donald-trumps-economic-policy-pro-business-not-pro-market/)** > > Trump is eliminating lobbyists by putting them in charge of all departments. After his election,((This post was originally published in Il Sole 24 Ore.)) it was difficult to predict what President Trump would do. In the election campaign he said... * * * Outspoken, yes, but that’s not necessarily a good thing. Being able to speak in coherent sentences would be far preferable. But that’s too much to expect from someone whose mind is garbled. I had my college students read the following transcript (scroll down a bit) of his 90-second gobbledygook and try to figure out the main point, see if they could gather any info from the mess, and then grade it. Most of them guessed it was DT. They found it very confusing and could not discern what was being imparted. They gave it a failing grade. > **[The 90-Second Speech That Shows Trump's English Is Worse Than His Policies](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trumps-rambling-90-second-speech-stuns-english-speaking-world_uk_57ab37d7e4b08ab70dc0f646)** > > 'Can we have Sarah Palin back, please?' I didn’t think anyone could produce more screwed-up sentences than Sarah Palin, but then along came Trump. This is hardly a breath of fresh air. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3086 "2018-01-30T04:03:24Z")
Campaign donors will have their [names up on the screen](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/01/29/names-of-campaign-donors-to-be-flashed-during-live-stream-of-trumps-state-of-the-union-speech/?utm_term=.1a2ff0d2ae55) during the SOTU address. Seriously believed this to be an Onion article. It’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3087 "2018-01-30T07:47:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, as I said - he ain’t Hillary. That is a fact. It is indeed a fact; an _irrelevant_ fact, as I pointed out upthread(post 2975). > [@](#): > > He’s also pro-business. This is a good thing and the stock market is reflecting it. Again, he is pro-Trump business. There are a number of businesses that he is apparently very bad for. And did the economic recovery under Obama not reflect _his_ pro-business policies? (I know, not the same as the stock market, but I would think overall a better measure than a momentary uptick on Wallstreet.) > [@](#): > > He’s not a professional politician. That also is a fact. No, it isn’t. He is currently a professional politician. That’s his job, and he is profiting from it, in ways he shouldn’t. What he is not is a _career_ politician. What he also is not is an _experienced_ politician. > [@](#): > > He’s very outspoken and most assuredly NOT politically correct. That is not only a fact, but also a breath of fresh in the DC swamps. It is a fact that he is outspoken and “not politically correct”. It is an unfortunate fact. Your apparent appreciation for the smell of Trump’s breath does not reflect well on you. And how on earth you equate that with any actual effort to combat corruption in politics, I cannot fathom. (Especially when the man is actively trying to avoid or undemine his own investigation, while concealing his business connections.) Do you honestly believe that Trump’s constant insulting of public figures, hurting minorities, offending foreign nations and pissing off liberals is in anyway helping to drain the (Republican-controlled) swamp in Washington? Honestly? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3088 "2018-01-30T08:00:05Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Honestly? That’s a rhetorical question, right? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3089 "2018-01-30T09:40:14Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > That’s a rhetorical question, right? Well, the way I see it, the potential irony of that question is entirely up to Clothahump. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3090 "2018-01-30T12:50:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Since the odds are overwhelming that no one else around here will mention it, I feel it incumbent upon myself to announce that Andres has recanted what was only an assumption to begin with. I’ll even provide a suitably left-wing news site as a source so you don’t have to pretend the info is spin. > > [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/politics/jose-andres-ivanka-trump-cafe-milano/) Then I will be more than charitable and say that this particular incident does not prove that Ivanka is an entitled cunt. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3091 "2018-01-30T13:33:20Z")
Stipulated: thump is not Hillary. Can we move on from that? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3092 "2018-01-30T13:55:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > He’s also pro-business. This is a good thing and the stock market is reflecting it. Obama was pro-business, and the stock market reflected that. Hillary Clinton was repeatedly accused during the campaign of being too close to the sort of Wall Street people Trump actually appointed to his Cabinet. The Democratic Party is not remotely anti-business. Trump is certainly \*\*more \*\*pro-business, but not necessarily in a good way. But I’m glad you’re willing to using the stock market as an indicator of Trump’s economic nous, especially as all indications are that the rapid increase in market growth is indicative of a [bubble](https://seekingalpha.com/article/4140740-crescat-trump-bubble-likely-mother-gop-potus-ebullience-bubbles-key-trigger-bursting-china), one which is being exacerbated by [Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/19/trumps-market-cheerleading-tweets-could-end-up-fueling-a-bubble.html) and deregulatory agenda. I mean, this guy certainly thought market inflation and volatility were a concern: > [@Donald Trump in September 2016](#): > > Believe me: We’re in a bubble right now. And the only thing that looks good is the stock market - but if you raise interest rates even a little bit, that’s going to come crashing down. We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble. And we better be awfully careful. So…rapid market growth may not actually be a smart strategy then, Donald? But I’m sure if and when the market does suddenly go south, you will be just as keen to give Trump the credit for that too. Ha ha! Of course you won’t - you’ll blame it on Obama and/or the Democrats. I’m calling it now. (That said, overextended market growth is a global phenomenon, not one driven by either Obama or Trump directly. In particular the Indian markets appear to be vastly overvalued and due for correction, and estimates of the performance of the Chinese economy are also likely to be highly overoptimistic. The extent to which one or two bubbles popping will pop the others is left as an exercise for the reader.) > [@](#): > > He’s not a professional politician. That also is a fact. > > He’s very outspoken and most assuredly NOT politically correct. That is not only a fact, but also a breath of fresh in the DC swamps. These “facts” are also true of a deranged hobo screaming incoherently at passersby from a street corner. They are no more indicative of the hobo’s qualification for public office than they are of Trump’s, particularly as Trump is also frequently just as incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3093 "2018-01-30T14:18:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Obama was pro-business, and the stock market reflected that. Hillary Clinton was repeatedly accused during the campaign of being too close to the sort of Wall Street people Trump actually appointed to his Cabinet. The Democratic Party is not remotely anti-business. Trump is certainly \*\*more \*\*pro-business, but not necessarily in a good way. I wouldn’t call Trump pro-business really. He’s pro-people who gut businesses, including those they work for\*, their customers and their suppliers. - for certain meanings of “work”: “being paid for having a big job title”, as opposed to “actually doing something productive”. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3094 "2018-01-30T14:23:31Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Regardless of which party is in charge, don’t you think it’s concerning _the federal government of the world’s pre-eminent first-world country_ can just shut down _on more than one occasion in the past few years_ …? It’s just one of those quaint features that make the English-speaking governments the envy of the world. _Lord Deputy of Ireland claims to have letters documenting treason by Common’s opposition leader?_ Have Black Rod confiscate the Lord Deputy’s sword and lead him away to the Tower. _Speaker of the House forced to sit at the back of Air Force One?_ Put 800,000 workers on furlough. Does your government have any charming features than can hold a candle to ours? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3095 "2018-01-30T14:31:09Z")
Now that we’ve had a number of substantial posts for Clothahump to respond to, let me add; Clothahump is a poopy-head! Let’s guess which post(s) the Humpster responds to? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3096 "2018-01-30T14:31:33Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > > [@Starving Artist](#): > > > > Since the odds are overwhelming that no one else around here will mention it,… I’ll even provide a suitably left-wing news site as a source so you don’t have to pretend the info is spin. > > > > Cite Just a note to **Starving** : CNN is “suitably left-wing” ? Thanks for the joke. How do you classify NBC? Maoist propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3097 "2018-01-30T14:34:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Just a note to **Starving** : CNN is “suitably left-wing” ? Thanks for the joke. How do you classify NBC? Maoist propaganda? To people living in Hawaii, California is an eastern coastal state. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3098 "2018-01-30T14:43:22Z")
I can see how Trump’s non-PC language would be attractive to those who want to call a spade a spade without recriminations, but Trump goes well beyond that. He throws immature temper tantrums on Twitter, chooses to berate instead of moderate, and is generally hell to deal with. Look how many of his own staff have left. He’s drained his own swamp more than DC’s. He doesn’t inspire loyalty, even though he demands it. His inexperience in governing prevents him from uniting the Republicans, even though they’re in power in all three branches. He’s ignorant of the law and thinks he can order Congress to do his bidding. He doesn’t understand they don’t work for him. Do you think any of the above is liberal whining Clo? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3099 "2018-01-30T15:36:59Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Campaign donors will have their [names up on the screen](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/01/29/names-of-campaign-donors-to-be-flashed-during-live-stream-of-trumps-state-of-the-union-speech/?utm_term=.1a2ff0d2ae55) during the SOTU address. Seriously believed this to be an Onion article. It’s not. Is it too late for my friend Heywood Jablome to show his support? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3100 "2018-01-30T16:28:55Z")
I’m not sure where to put this. But it makes me wonder if our country is just beyond all hope. [https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/armed-trump-supporters-confront-american-indian-arizona-lawmakers-state-capitol/](https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/armed-trump-supporters-confront-american-indian-arizona-lawmakers-state-capitol/) Armed Trump supporters yelled at a Native American lawmaker to get out, he is here illegally. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3101 "2018-01-30T16:38:13Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I’m not sure where to put this. But it makes me wonder if our country is just beyond all hope. > > [https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/armed-trump-supporters-confront-american-indian-arizona-lawmakers-state-capitol/](https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/armed-trump-supporters-confront-american-indian-arizona-lawmakers-state-capitol/) > > Armed Trump supporters yelled at a Native American lawmaker to get out, he is here illegally. Tried to edit and tech was against me. That a groups of Americans grabbed their guns and flags and decided to go yell at Native Americans and children makes me angry and sick That our county is just… screwed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=154) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=156)