# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3765 "2018-05-25T00:09:18Z")
When I say “when I was upset,” I mean at Trump winning. And the comment was a form of reassurance. Note that it was tacked on to “God is in control, and can use evil to bring about good.” Still, based on how they talked in other places, they seem to have voted for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3766 "2018-05-25T01:19:13Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I think most of the problem with that as a generic defense against racism is that we assume that in fact none of that person’s best friends are negroes. Instead, there is exactly one colored family at his country club, and he speaks to them once or twice a year, plus he likes to think that he’s “friends” with the lady who cleans his toilet and the guy who picks up the garbage, in that he mostly knows their names. I know people who are convinced that they are not racists because they hate only one or two racial groups. In their minds, they are not racists because they aren’t white supremacists. > [@](#): > > In addition, one of the few even remotely coherent policies that Trump has staked out seems to be strong support for Israel. Strong, stupid, and shortsighted, but he’s certainly not someone who believes in biblical end times, so it’s a bit hard to see why he’s be both anti-semitic and strongly pro-Israel. I think his calculus for being pro-Israel is that Muslims generally are anti-Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3767 "2018-05-25T06:51:35Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I know people who are convinced that they are not racists because they hate only one or two racial groups. In their minds, they are not racists because they aren’t white supremacists. I know several Katalans (my Idiot Aunt, the owner of one of my former client companies…) who think they are not xenophobic because they don’t hate seasonal workers, tourists or Erasmus exchange students - just those outsiders who dare want to stay. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3768 "2018-05-25T11:54:06Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You joke, but that is exactly the only thing that came to mind. And it fits with what a lot of people I know said about Trump. When I was upset, they told me this could be the setup for the end times and rapture–from people who seem to have voted for Trump. Already been [covered](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N1U4MXO/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title). For me, the funny part was when Clovenhoof, the earthly avatar of Satan, handed out a couple dozen LSD-laced brownies at a Trump rally in North Carolina. When they were looking at the raw interview footage afterwards, they couldn’t tell the ones who’d gotten a brownie from the ones who had not. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3769 "2018-05-26T06:03:32Z")
The following is a genuine quotation (though I have changed one word). I will discuss the quote further in another thread, but I want to pose a question: Is this a fair assessment of Trump’s candidacy? Does it exaggerate or minimize his unfitness? > [@](#): > > It is not simply that we revolt at Trump’s huge vulgarity; at his front of bronze; at his shrieking unfitness mentally, for the office he sets out to buy. All this goes without saying. There never has been a case of a man of such slender intellectual equipment, absolutely without experience in office, impudently flaunting his wealth before the eyes of the people and say, “Make me President.” This is folly. This is to degrade public life, but there is something darker and more fearful behind. It is well known that this man has a record which would make it impossible for him to live through a presidential campaign—such gutters would be dragged, such sewers would be laid open … > It is not a question of politics but of character. An agitator we can endure; an honest radical we can respect; a fanatic we can tolerate; but a low voluptuary trying to sting his jaded senses to a fresh thrill by turning from private to public corruption is a new horror in American politics. To set the heel of contempt upon it must be the impulse of all honest men. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3770 "2018-05-26T06:25:44Z")
Which word did you change and why? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3771 "2018-05-26T06:44:03Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Which word did you change and why? I suspect it was originally said of someone other than Trump. septimus may be hoping we’ll agree with it, then say “gotcha ya, he was talking about John F. Kennedy”. ---
**Author:** ![Wallet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e99b99/32.png) [@Wallet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallet)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3772 "2018-05-26T06:51:09Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I suspect it was originally said of someone other than Trump. septimus may be hoping we’ll agree with it, then say “gotcha ya, he was talking about John F. Kennedy”. [https://www.bunkhistory.org/resources/1722?related=53&relationship\_name=FAST-FORWARD](https://www.bunkhistory.org/resources/1722?related=53&relationship_name=FAST-FORWARD) William Randolph Hearst for President ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3773 "2018-05-26T06:52:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Which word did you change and why? He changed Hearst to Trump. > **[The more things change, the more they stay the same](https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/more-things-change-more-they-stay-same)** > > Neville Bartrum, of Oamaru, notes the similarities between  comments about United States President Donald Trump and early 20th century US newspaper... ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3774 "2018-05-26T07:29:27Z")
In 1904, William R. Hearst received all the votes of 11 states (and some votes from 9 other states) on the first ballot for Presidential candidate at the Democratic National Convention in St. Louis. The quotation is by Rollo Ogden of the _New York Evening Post_, a competitor to Hearst’s _New York Journal_. I found it while rereading _Citizen Hearst_ — an excellent biography(\*) — and was struck by how well it applies to the present President. Whatever Hearst’s faults, he was a generous and good-spirited man, often paying for expensive care when his employees had illness or injury. There were some strong similarities between his character and Trump’s, but in some important ways they are opposites. And, while he had an eye for pretty women, Hearst was never a rapist like the present White House incumbent. - - I wasn’t sure where to post this quote. Perhaps Cafe Society would have been a better choice. _Citizen Hearst_ by W.A. Swanberg is an excellent biography to read. It is well researched and well written, but what makes it special is the character it describes. If you think the movie _Citizen Kane_ was an exaggeration of Citizen Hearst you’ve got it backwards! The strange facts of Hearst’s career are indeed stranger than fiction! ETA: Although I have the book in front of me, I didn’t want to type in the quote from scratch so I Googled for it. But I found only Google Books (unable to Copy/Paste?) and “Do you want a Free Trial?” newspaper sites. As I kept searching I often found quotes about Trump showing up in the Google results! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3775 "2018-05-26T07:39:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … Although I have the book in front of me, I didn’t want to type in the quote from scratch so I Googled for it. But I found only Google Books (unable to Copy/Paste?) and “Do you want a Free Trial?” newspaper sites. > [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > He changed Hearst to Trump. > > [The more things change, the more they stay the same | Otago Daily Times Online News](https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/more-things-change-more-they-stay-same) Yet this source is copiable! I wonder how my Googling missed it. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3776 "2018-05-26T23:20:34Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I am having trouble reading that without wanting to call it out line by line for its inanity, but here are two that I can’t let go. … > > > [@](#): > > > > I want to thank you for the release of the hostages who are now home with their families. That was a beautiful gesture and was very much appreciated. > > Awww, he’s such a nice hostage taker. He released some of the hostages that he has kidnapped. Not all of them, just some. But a beautiful gesture. I read the ‘hostages’ passage as Trump thumbing his nose at Kim–‘hahaha, you gave up something and I didn’t give up anything, sucka!!!11!!!’ The entire passive-aggressive letter is basically Trump thumping his chest and sneering at Kim. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3777 "2018-05-27T12:14:42Z")
[“China Approves 5 New Trademarks For Ivanka Trump Business As President Forges ZTE Deal”](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-gets-5-china-trademarks-as-president-works-zte-deal_us_5b0a07eee4b0568a880c0a0d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006) “The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest.” As if anyone cares, right? > [@](#): > > Ivanka Trump’s business has won approval from the Chinese government for at least five new trademarks. The approval came just days before President Donald Trump announced he was working on a controversial deal to drop U.S. prohibitions against China cellphone manufacturer ZTE. > … > Meanwhile, some 72 hours before his tweet about ZTE, China quietly agreed to loan $500 million to an Indonesian theme park project in which the president is a partner. Chinese banks agreed to loan an additional $500 million to the project. > > The non-profit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, D.C., said the trademark deal again raises concerns about the Trump family’s international businesses and potential conflicts of interest. > … “Raises concerns”? :smack: A voice crying in the wilderness. President PantsOnHead doesn’t even pretend to do this under the table like a normal crook. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3778 "2018-05-27T12:52:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [“China Approves 5 New Trademarks For Ivanka Trump Business As President Forges ZTE Deal”](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-gets-5-china-trademarks-as-president-works-zte-deal_us_5b0a07eee4b0568a880c0a0d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006) > > “The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest.” > > As if anyone cares, right? > > “Raises concerns”? :smack: A voice crying in the wilderness. President PantsOnHead doesn’t even pretend to do this under the table like a normal crook. Now you know why he’s orange. He’s the Neon Don. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3779 "2018-05-27T14:20:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [“China Approves 5 New Trademarks For Ivanka Trump Business As President Forges ZTE Deal”](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-gets-5-china-trademarks-as-president-works-zte-deal_us_5b0a07eee4b0568a880c0a0d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006) > > “The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest.” > > As if anyone cares, right? > > “Raises concerns”? :smack: A voice crying in the wilderness. President PantsOnHead doesn’t even pretend to do this under the table like a normal crook. Why should he? The republican party has pretty much told him that the presidency is his to be looted, as long as he signs their bills. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3780 "2018-05-27T16:56:33Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [“China Approves 5 New Trademarks For Ivanka Trump Business As President Forges ZTE Deal”](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-gets-5-china-trademarks-as-president-works-zte-deal_us_5b0a07eee4b0568a880c0a0d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006) > > “The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest.” > > As if anyone cares, right? > > “Raises concerns”? :smack: A voice crying in the wilderness. President PantsOnHead doesn’t even pretend to do this under the table like a normal crook. One amusing aspect to this is the image of _CHINA_ issuing an official, government-approved imprimatur of IP, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3781 "2018-05-27T20:20:27Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [“China Approves 5 New Trademarks For Ivanka Trump Business As President Forges ZTE Deal”](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-gets-5-china-trademarks-as-president-works-zte-deal_us_5b0a07eee4b0568a880c0a0d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006) > > “The trademark approvals raise new concerns about potential Trump family conflicts of interest.” > > As if anyone cares, right? > > “Raises concerns”? :smack: A voice crying in the wilderness. President PantsOnHead doesn’t even pretend to do this under the table like a normal crook. Now how can this not be seen as conflicts of interest? Impeachment proceedings would’ve started post haste if Obama booked a weekend trip to Kenya. Why doesn’t Mueller just start with this? And evil China, you know, the one we need to start a trade war with because trade wars are easy? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3782 "2018-05-27T20:28:39Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Now how can this not be seen as conflicts of interest? Impeachment proceedings would’ve started post haste if Obama booked a weekend trip to Kenya. Why doesn’t Mueller just start with this? And evil China, you know, the one we need to start a trade war with because trade wars are easy? Maybe that’s what he meant. “Trade wars are easy. I am taking China’s side.” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3783 "2018-05-27T20:48:20Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Now how can this not be seen as conflicts of interest? Impeachment proceedings would’ve started post haste if Obama booked a weekend trip to Kenya. Why doesn’t Mueller just start with this? And evil China, you know, the one we need to start a trade war with because trade wars are easy? It clearly is worth impeachment. Problem is, as long as Trump feeds his moron base lies, and his money base hints at more money The republican senate will not vote to impeach. We need a 2/3rd’s majority in the senate. Mueller is going to have to present something so grievous, so offensive and horrible and actually offend the people that actually voted for an offensive asshole. THEY VOTED FOR HIM AND STILL SUPPORT HIM. And they are going to have to admit that they made a bad choice in voting for the idiot. Their savior. I do think that Mueller will find a smoking gun. Probably already has found a few in Trumps hand. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/3784 "2018-05-27T20:53:37Z")
I think the trade war schtick was bullshit. He told the public this just so he and daughter can make money. I think there’s no intention to actually raise a real tariff against China, just smoke to make money. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=188) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=190)