# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 257
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5126 "2018-11-18T18:50:04Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I still have leaves on the ground and need a new rake. > > Home Depot sold out yesterday. > > I blame Trump. What?! Blaming Trump? The stable genius who showed up them Californians by pointing out that raking out leaves and stuff from around the trees would’ve prevented the wildfires? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5127 "2018-11-18T18:52:32Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > What?! Blaming Trump? The stable genius who showed up them Californians by pointing out that raking out leaves and stuff from around the trees would’ve prevented the wildfires? And just how does Trump expect that to happen when he keeps deporting their gardeners? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5128 "2018-11-18T18:53:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What logistics? What structures? > > I realize the Trump administration is calling this an invasion and you’re just doing your part by going into a panic. But this is no big deal. We’re talking seven thousand people. There are Walmarts that face bigger crowds on Black Friday. Is Trump going to deploy troops to them as well? I see the move as being proactive, to help avoid a situation where a surge in numbers could over burden the border patrol, like what happened when the children were separated from their parents months ago. Rather then them be put in fenced holding areas (yes, the same one “cages” Obama used) they could have more comfortable accommodations. Also, having and overwhelming presence cold help to avoid mob-rule scenarios like we saw at Mexico’s southern border. Like [here](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=caravan+migrants+throw+rocks&t=osx&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=PO_ptEOYFpw), [and here](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=migrants+push+through+mexico%27s+southern+border&t=osx&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=_JZYZPEWvSo). It is perfectly possible that the numbers attempting to enter turn out to be run-of-the-mill. And that would be a good thing. But maybe not, in which case having a large presence will do several things: - free up border patrol to do the tasks only they can do - help the process for all people—asylum seekers and illegals alike—is more orderly and streamlined, and more comfortable - send a message that the U.S. will defend it’s borders - enable the U.S. to counter mobs who revert to violence Are the numbers of troops being deployed excessive? Or maybe not even needed? Sure. In fact, I hope that’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5129 "2018-11-18T18:57:29Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Look, I am sorry, you seem to be getting really worked up. I am not entirely sure if it is real outrage or trolling behavior, but you should really be careful. For the former, you may stroke out, and if the latter, you sound like you are about to rip your dick off. Deflect and hand-wave all you want with tour pathetic Freud-at-the-keyboard routine, liar. Post #199 in the Tucker Carson thread, dummy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5130 "2018-11-18T19:01:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I see the move as being proactive, to help avoid a situation where a surge in numbers could over burden the border patrol, like what happened when the children were separated from their parents months ago. Rather then them be put in fenced holding areas (yes, the same one “cages” Obama used) they could have more comfortable accommodations. Also, having and overwhelming presence cold help to avoid mob-rule scenarios like we saw at Mexico’s southern border. Like [here](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=caravan+migrants+throw+rocks&t=osx&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=PO_ptEOYFpw), [and here](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=migrants+push+through+mexico%27s+southern+border&t=osx&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=_JZYZPEWvSo). > > It is perfectly possible that the numbers attempting to enter turn out to be run-of-the-mill. And that would be a good thing. But maybe not, in which case having a large presence will do several things: > > - free up border patrol to do the tasks only they can do > - help the process for all people—asylum seekers and illegals alike—is more orderly and streamlined, and more comfortable > - send a message that the U.S. will defend it’s borders > - enable the U.S. to counter mobs who revert to violence > > Are the numbers of troops being deployed excessive? Or maybe not even needed? Sure. In fact, I hope that’s the case. LOL. It’s entirely about the politics of fear. This caravan is not unusual, and past caravans have not resulted in anything aside from a slight bump in asylum requests, and maybe a few dozen failed attempts at illegal crossings. But feel free to buy into the White House’s bullshit, if that’s what you wish. I’m sure they’re ecstatic that many Americans like you think this is actually serious policy rather than nonsense political games. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5131 "2018-11-18T19:09:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > LOL. It’s entirely about the politics of fear. This caravan is not unusual, and past caravans have not resulted in anything aside from a slight bump in asylum requests, and maybe a few dozen failed attempts at illegal crossings. > > But feel free to buy into the White House’s bullshit, if that’s what you wish. I’m sure they’re ecstatic that many Americans like you think this is actually serious policy rather than nonsense political games. You go to far. or can you point to similar, routine clashes the Mexico has had at it’s southern border where there border patrol was attacked at the caravan broke through? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5132 "2018-11-18T19:16:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You go to far. or can you point to similar, routine clashes the Mexico has had at it’s southern border where there border patrol was attacked at the caravan broke through? Hey, be afraid if you want to. Feel the fear the White House wants you to feel. Pretend that there’s any fucking chance that a few hundred desperate, unarmed migrants who have been walking hundreds of miles could present a threat to armed guards at a fortified US border post (which is orders of magnitude different than a Mexican border post). But if you do so, we’re going to laugh at you, because it’s nonsensical and ridiculous, and based on fear and politically convenient xenophobia. There is nothing to be afraid of here. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5133 "2018-11-18T19:19:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Deflect and hand-wave all you want with tour pathetic Freud-at-the-keyboard routine, liar. > > Post #199 in the Tucker Carson thread, dummy. Nah, that’s pretty much a masterpiece on its own. What with you using hateful and dismissive language in trying to claim that you don’t use hateful and dismissive language. It’s like a parody of the right wing hate machine, except (unless I am being massively wooshed by poe’s law), you don’t even mean it as satire. I wouldn’t want to touch that pièce de résistance after you have put so much work into it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5134 "2018-11-18T19:27:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hey, be afraid if you want to. Feel the fear the White House wants you to feel. Pretend that there’s any fucking chance that a few hundred desperate, unarmed migrants who have been walking hundreds of miles could present a threat to armed guards at a fortified US border post (which is orders of magnitude different than a Mexican border post). > > But if you do so, we’re going to laugh at you, because it’s nonsensical and ridiculous, and based on fear and politically convenient xenophobia. There is nothing to be afraid of here. I can’t help but notice that you: 1. did not answer my question about your claim 2. downgrade a caravan that all estimates put in the thousands to hundreds 3. use “we”, a sure sign of weakness and mobism ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5135 "2018-11-18T19:31:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Nah, that’s pretty much a masterpiece on its own. What with you using hateful and dismissive language in trying to claim that you don’t use hateful and dismissive language. It’s like a parody of the right wing hate machine, except (unless I am being massively wooshed by poe’s law), you don’t even mean it as satire. > > I wouldn’t want to touch that pièce de résistance after you have put so much work into it. Or you know you’d just embarrass yourself even more than you should be feeling right now. Though that does assume your dumb, dishonest ass has a scintilla of moral fiber left in it. Check in your eyelashes. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5136 "2018-11-18T19:38:15Z")
How is backing up another poster’s argument being whooshed? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5137 "2018-11-18T19:40:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I can’t help but notice that you: > > 1. did not answer my question about your claim > 2. downgrade a caravan that all estimates put in the thousands to hundreds > 3. use “we”, a sure sign of weakness and mobism 1. Violence at Mexico’s southern border is nothing new: > **[Mexico fights illegal immigration on its own southern border](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/24/mexicos-porous-southern-border/)** > > Under pressure from the United States, Mexico has tried to cut down the flow of Central American immigrants passing through on their way to the southern U.S. border. > **[Mexico Deploys A Formidable Deportation Force Near Its Own Southern Border](https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/05/07/607700928/mexico-deploys-a-formidable-deportation-force-near-its-own-southern-border)** > > Under U.S. pressure, Mexico continues to crack down on migration on its own southern border, even surpassing America's deportation numbers in recent years. 1. The latest estimates have it at about 1500: [Central American migrant caravans - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_migrant_caravans#Table) Since “thousands” implies two or more thousands, I think “hundreds” fits better. Even thousands wouldn’t present anything close to a threat that would justify the fearmongering you’re falling for and spreading. 1. How horrible! I’m sorry if my use of “we” frightened you. It must be terrifying living in your world. Apologies, and I’ll try to use gentler language in the future. I know there’s so much you must be afraid of, especially if you actually think the White House’s rhetoric has anything in common with the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5138 "2018-11-18T19:48:19Z")
Pueblo Sin Fronteras has been [organizing migrant caravans to the United States for 15 years.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/who-s-behind-migrant-caravan-drew-trump-s-ire-n862566) This includes a caravan that arrived at the border in April of this year. Why is it only now that troops are needed at the border? Also, **magellan01** , are you going to provide \*credible \*evidence to back up your claim regarding the funding of the caravan by Soros? Or perhaps you care to withdraw that claim? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5139 "2018-11-18T19:50:34Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And just how does Trump expect that to happen when he keeps deporting their gardeners? Open borders with Finland, of course. (After all, it is next to Russia and Sarah tells him she can see Russia from her house.) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5140 "2018-11-18T19:52:49Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Also, **magellan01** , are you going to provide \*credible \*evidence to back up your claim regarding the funding of the caravan by Soros? Or perhaps you care to withdraw that claim? BWAH-HAH-HA-HA. It has never provided credible evidence for anything it has said. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5141 "2018-11-18T19:58:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > (I hate having to explain a joke. It makes me question whether I was the one who missed the point.) > > **Railer13** cited a dubious source in post #5090 to offer what I saw as sarcastic “support” for **magellan01** ’s insinuation that Soros is funding the caravan. > > **Rick Kitchen** responded in post #5093 with a well-sourced attack on the source’s pedigree, implying both that the source is unreliable and that he thought **Railer13** was seriously supporting **magellan01** ’s insinuation. > > That’s a whoosh, in my book. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > How is backing up another poster’s argument being whooshed? I believe that **kaylasdad99** misread the tone in your reply to my post. He was correct that I offered sarcastic support, but he incorrectly inferred that you believed that I was serious. We’re all the same side here, folks. Except for a few misguided souls, of course. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5142 "2018-11-18T20:32:59Z")
Concerning his promised Mexican funding for his fantasy wall: > **['This would be a very good time to do a shutdown,' Trump says](https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-shutdown-trump-20181117-story.html)** > > Trump suggests he's prepared to shut down the federal government next month if Congress fails to give him the money he wants to build a southern border wall. “President Donald Trump suggested Saturday he was prepared to shut down the federal government next month if Congress fails to give him the money he wants to build a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.“If I was ever going to do a shutdown over border security - when you look at the caravan, when you look at the mess, when you look at the people coming in,” the president said. “… This would be a very good time to do a shutdown.” … During the 2016 campaign, Trump repeatedly promised voters that Mexico would pay for the roughly 2,000-mile barrier, which carries an estimated price tag of $20 billion. But since taking office, he has acknowledged that American taxpayers will have to put up the cash.” “This would be a very good time to do a shutdown.” The dude is such a fucking imbicile. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5143 "2018-11-18T20:35:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Or you know you’d just embarrass yourself even more than you should be feeling right now. Though that does assume your dumb, dishonest ass has a scintilla of moral fiber left in it. Check in your eyelashes. Excellent work in proving that you do not use hateful and dismissive language. Now I know I’m being wooshed, and this is all just a parody of a right winger, right? I thought of letting this magnum opus of satirizing a hateful right winger’s thought process stand on its own as well, but you put so much work into pretending to be completely unselfaware I just have to acknowledge it in its beauty. :applauds: ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5144 "2018-11-18T20:42:19Z")
Prez Potty Mouth calls Adam Schiff “Little Adam Schitt.” Because he’s classy like that. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/417335-trump-labels-schiff-little-adam-schitt%3Famp](https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/417335-trump-labels-schiff-little-adam-schitt%3famp) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/5145 "2018-11-18T21:35:44Z")
I guess I’m going to have watch the Wallace interview. It might just be great comedy. [President Donald Trump went after retired Adm. Bill McRaven — the Navy SEAL who led the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden — calling him a “Hillary Clinton fan” during an interview with Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.”](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-blasts-retired-navy-seal-critical-him-saying-he-should-n937716) > [@](#): > > “Hillary Clinton fan,” Trump told Wallace Sunday when confronted with the retired admiral’s criticism. “Excuse me, Hillary Clinton fan.” > > “OK, he’s a Hilary Clinton backer and an Obama-backer,” Trump added before Wallace said McRaven was a Navy SEAL for nearly four decades. > > Trump, pointing to the bin Laden raid, added, “wouldn’t it have been nice if we got Osama Bin Laden a lot sooner than that, wouldn’t it have been nice?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=256) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=258)