# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/681 "2017-03-28T02:21:19Z")
I didn’t want to start another Trump thread so I’m going to post here, even though Trump hasn’t pissed me off today. In fact, I’m still tickled about the health care debacle. And as I read the details I realized something. Trump is a lousy negotiator. Horrible. I’m starting to think his children make all his deals in advance, then pay the client extra to sit at a table and let Daddy come in and do his incomprehensible negotiation routine. First, to negotiate you have to know your product. And you have to have a clearly defined goal - not " to get 52 votes" or " to get to yes" or “to pass the bill”. OK, this wasn’t the slam dunk it should have been. You actually had two factions at the table. The goal should have been to give a steep financial cut to the Freedom Caucus while finding a warm and fuzzy but value neutral or really cheap offset to the moderate Republicans. That’s no guarantee that you’ll get to yes but you need a roadmap to get there. But you have to know your product to know where the concessions are hidden. The bill was impossible to parse and he probably didn’t have the humility or patience to request a detailed line by line briefing. But the ineptness aside, he made two serious mistakes. He let his nasty thin skinned vindictiveness get the better of him with Mark Meadows and he made a “joking” threat, ruining any chance he had of getting Meadows vote. And hecallowed that unholy lifelike embodiment of his butthole, Steve Bannon to play the bully and try to push his way to yes. But the ineptitude is astounding considering that was supposed to be his primary strength. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/682 "2017-03-28T02:35:55Z")
The bastard is still breathing. That’s enough to piss me off. ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/683 "2017-03-28T20:32:00Z")
My thoughts, as he spoke today. Warning, salty language… [Hey,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lwdgkG8j7Y) Mr. [so called president](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HDG3Wx6R_U). Other than that, [have a nice day](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhmddab0TxA) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/684 "2017-03-28T22:04:12Z")
Shit for brains [liberates](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39415631) the oil and gas industries. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/685 "2017-03-28T22:18:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And hecallowed that unholy lifelike embodiment of his butthole, Steve Bannon to play the bully and try to push his way to yes. The Congressmen were there ready to hear the elected Leader give them a reason or excuse to go along. Instead some glorified hired spear-carrier tells them “you’re gonna do this because we say you’re gonna do it, or else”. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/686 "2017-04-02T23:53:37Z")
Oh Goodie! I was worried there for a minute. A new Republican administration without a war. But here we go: Trump says U.S. is ready to act without China’s help [on North Korea](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-china-north-korea-20170402-story.html). Ya think it could go nuclear? You do have [sunscreen](https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Boat-Performance-Sunscreens-Technology/dp/B0030ZEGDY/ref=sr_1_3_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1491177116&sr=1-3&keywords=sunscreen&th=1), yes? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/687 "2017-04-03T02:45:14Z")
I’m sure Japan is happy to hear Trump threatening war with Korea. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/688 "2017-04-03T03:32:47Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I’m sure Japan is happy to hear Trump threatening war with Korea. Then you would be wrong. Both the Republic of Korea and Japan are US allies; both know what a shooting war with the DPRK would mean for each country. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/689 "2017-04-03T04:26:56Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Then you would be wrong. Both the Republic of Korea and Japan are US allies; both know what a shooting war with the DPRK would mean for each country. whoosh? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/690 "2017-04-03T07:02:38Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I didn’t want to start another Trump thread so I’m going to post here, even though Trump hasn’t pissed me off today. In fact, I’m still tickled about the health care debacle. > > And as I read the details I realized something. > > Trump is a lousy negotiator. Horrible. > > I’m starting to think his children make all his deals in advance, then pay the client extra to sit at a table and let Daddy come in and do his incomprehensible negotiation routine. > > First, to negotiate you have to know your product. And you have to have a clearly defined goal - not " to get 52 votes" or " to get to yes" or “to pass the bill”. OK, this wasn’t the slam dunk it should have been. You actually had two factions at the table. The goal should have been to give a steep financial cut to the Freedom Caucus while finding a warm and fuzzy but value neutral or really cheap offset to the moderate Republicans. That’s no guarantee that you’ll get to yes but you need a roadmap to get there. > > But you have to know your product to know where the concessions are hidden. The bill was impossible to parse and he probably didn’t have the humility or patience to request a detailed line by line briefing. > > But the ineptness aside, he made two serious mistakes. He let his nasty thin skinned vindictiveness get the better of him with Mark Meadows and he made a “joking” threat, ruining any chance he had of getting Meadows vote. And hecallowed that unholy lifelike embodiment of his butthole, Steve Bannon to play the bully and try to push his way to yes. > > But the ineptitude is astounding considering that was supposed to be his primary strength. In fairness, there was no way out of this box. For years the GOP have talked about repeal and replace, but have been very cagey about the replace part, since the “limited government” side and the “I don’t want to piss off my constituents who have gotten used to health coverage” side were never going to see eye to eye. Into that wades Trump with promises to cut costs, without cutting coverage, and without the personal mandate, and of course that that it will be oh, so simple. A planet-sized cherry on top of the moon on a stick. There was no way to negotiate his way out of that mess. I just wish we could actually see all the panic and frustration, instead of merely infering it at this point. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/691 "2017-04-03T07:52:39Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > In fairness, there was no way out of this box. > > For years the GOP have talked about repeal and replace, but have been very cagey about the replace part, since the “limited government” side and the “I don’t want to piss off my constituents who have gotten used to health coverage” side were never going to see eye to eye. > > Into that wades Trump with promises to cut costs, without cutting coverage, and without the personal mandate, and of course that that it will be oh, so simple. A planet-sized cherry on top of the moon on a stick. > > There was no way to negotiate his way out of that mess. > > I just wish we could actually see all the panic and frustration, instead of merely infering it at this point. I don’t recall the republicans talking about _ **replace** _ until it looked like they were going to win everything. All I recall hearing is repeal, repeal, repeal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/692 "2017-04-03T08:32:00Z")
The dog caught the car. Teeth firmly planted in the right rear tire. And around and around goes Spot! See Spot Go! Round and round and round! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/693 "2017-04-03T09:38:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > whoosh? :smack: Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/694 "2017-04-03T11:38:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The dog caught the car. Teeth firmly planted in the right rear tire. And around and around goes Spot! See Spot Go! Round and round and round! Colbert explained the situation as the dog, having finally caught the car, has to drive it. Unfortunately, we’re riding in the back seat… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/695 "2017-04-03T11:57:11Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > In fairness, there was no way out of this box. > > For years the GOP have talked about repeal and replace, but have been very cagey about the replace part, since the “limited government” side and the “I don’t want to piss off my constituents who have gotten used to health coverage” side were never going to see eye to eye. > > Into that wades Trump with promises to cut costs, without cutting coverage, and without the personal mandate, and of course that that it will be oh, so simple. A planet-sized cherry on top of the moon on a stick. > > There was no way to negotiate his way out of that mess. > > I just wish we could actually see all the panic and frustration, instead of merely infering it at this point. Really, there’s _nowhere_ for republicans to go on healthcare. They have two options: argue that we should go back to before obamacare, and that the government should not help ensure that people can get health care; or find a solution to the left of Obamacare. Neither is an option for them - the latter fundamentally betrays their guiding philosophy for the last 8 years; the former is, as we firmly established with the AHCA, _political suicide_. This is what happens when you spend 8 years lying about _your_ position. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/696 "2017-04-04T12:40:59Z")
The First Escort’s [official White House photo](http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/04/melania_trump_white_house_portrait_official.html). Note the air brushing. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/697 "2017-04-04T14:11:24Z")
Eh, any official WH photo of FLOTUS (why should there BE an “official WH photo of FLOTUS” at all is a different story) is essentially a publicity shot. I’ll give her a break on that. And it may have been the Combover In Chief who chose this, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/698 "2017-04-04T15:45:39Z")
In an effort to undo every positive accomplishment of his predecessor, [Trump puts all police reform](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-orders-justice-department-to-review-all-police-reform-agreements/2017/04/03/ba934058-18bd-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.59e4c4fc99e4)on hold until he can “review” it to make sure that it doesn’t “work against the Trump administration’s goals of promoting officer safety and morale while fighting violent crime.” Training police officers to understand that not all black people should be assumed to be criminals, or that it is better to try to deescalate a situation rather than come in guns blazing, might annoy some of them who just want to keep doing things like they always were, and so we can’t possibly have that. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/699 "2017-04-04T18:38:13Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > In an effort to undo every positive accomplishment of his predecessor… I think it is literally true that the only things Trump has accomplished is un-doing Obama’s work. He has contributed zero zip nada zilch bupkis of his own initiatives. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/700 "2017-04-04T18:50:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I think it is literally true that the only things Trump has accomplished is un-doing Obama’s work. He has contributed zero zip nada zilch bupkis of his own initiatives. And his incompetence is pretty much his only saving grace. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=36)