# How has Former President Trump pissed you off today? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640 "2017-01-20T17:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1061 "2017-05-25T23:44:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Where is the year 2024 mentioned? I didn’t see it. I’ll bold the relevant parts (and capitalize the EXTRA RELEVANT ARITHMETIC part): " **At the Wales Summit in 2014** , NATO leaders agreed to reverse the trend of declining defence budgets and decided: -Allies currently meeting the 2% guideline on defence spending will aim to continue to do so; -Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level will halt any decline; aim to increase defence expenditure as GDP grows; **and will move toward the 2% guideline within a DECADE**." ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1062 "2017-05-25T23:47:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How would the US obstruct the Europeans from building defense? … You have no idea how NATO functioned during the Cold War, have you ? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1063 "2017-05-25T23:56:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll bold the relevant parts (and capitalize the EXTRA RELEVANT ARITHMETIC part): > > " **At the Wales Summit in 2014** , NATO leaders agreed to reverse the trend of declining defence budgets and decided: > > -Allies currently meeting the 2% guideline on defence spending will aim to continue to do so; > > -Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level will halt any decline; aim to increase defence expenditure as GDP grows; **and will move toward the 2% guideline within a DECADE**." Thank you. So the Europeans, in time, will meet their obligations that they agreed to in 2006. > [@Kobal2](#): > > … You have no idea how NATO functioned during the Cold War, have you ? I suppose not. Did Europe have no military in that era? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1064 "2017-05-26T00:01:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Thank you. > > So the Europeans, in time, will meet their obligations that they agreed to in 2006. And they are currently meeting their current obligations, which were revised in 2014. Thus, Trump’s rhetoric is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1065 "2017-05-26T00:04:46Z")
Damn. I was sure I’d left some goalposts around here. Maybe I left them in my other pants. ---
**Author:** ![Ignatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/3be4f8/32.png) [@Ignatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ignatz)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1066 "2017-05-26T00:13:13Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > During the campaign and even after being elected, Donald Trump has proved again and again that he’s not going to change from being the same arrogant, corrupt, bullying, bigoted, misogynistic, unfiltered braggart with zero interest in wise public policy that that he’s always been. > > But what has he done to prove that on the day that you post here? [The underpayment by other countries of their defense obligations] “is unfair to the American people and taxpayers.” of course means the multi-millionaires and the taxpayers. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1067 "2017-05-26T00:39:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And they are currently meeting their current obligations, which were revised in 2014. Thus, Trump’s rhetoric is bullshit. That will still be 18 years of underpayment for most of NATO. Just because they are correcting it, supposedly, doesn’t mean they aren’t currently underpaying. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1068 "2017-05-26T01:35:14Z")
I haven’t studied the issue of NATO countries spending the required amount on defense. But I would just like to say that if there’s one thing Donald Trump simply will not abide, it’s countries that try to renege on international agreements. I think we can applaud him for that. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1069 "2017-05-26T01:51:27Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Petty of me I suppose, but the short-fingered vulgarian shouldering the Montenegrin PM aside so he can STAND IN THE FRONT ME ME ME really pisses me off. > > So, in my petty way, I sincerely enjoyed watching the expression of agony as President Macron crushed his tiny orange paw during the Official Handshake. > > [https://wonkette.com/617716/hot-french-president-destroys-tiny-hands-trump-with-worlds-sexxxiest-handshake](https://wonkette.com/617716/hot-french-president-destroys-tiny-hands-trump-with-worlds-sexxxiest-handshake) It’s only a matter of time until photo ops begin looking like this: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=40s&v=Teya0rAL36Y](https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=40s&v=Teya0rAL36Y) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1070 "2017-05-26T02:20:23Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > He badmouths our NATO allies, shoves one of them out of the way for a photo op ([video here](http://www.salon.com/2017/05/25/trump-gets-a-chilly-reception-at-nato-after-telling-world-leaders-to-pay-their-fair-share/)) and more… > > :mad: Way to win friends and influence people, Mr. President! Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1071 "2017-05-26T02:37:22Z")
ICE agents eat breakfast, compliment chef, then arrest 3 workers [at Michigan restaurant](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-michigan-restaurant-immigration-arrests-20170525-story.html). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1072 "2017-05-26T02:57:44Z")
That is some cold shit right there. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1073 "2017-05-26T05:10:44Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > > [@jsc1953](#): > > > > I’d love to ask Donald this hypothetical: > > > > The Baltic states, formerly part of the Soviet Union, are now NATO members, and as such are entitled to defense under Article 5. If Putin decided that he wanted to build Soviet Union 2.0 and sent his tanks into Lithuania…would Trump commit US troops to Lithuania’s defense? > > > > We would soon see where his true loyalties lie. > > Trump wouldn’t understand that question. He’d have no idea what you were talking about. Or possibly he’d say he wasn’t willing to spend one red dime to defend a space on a Monopoly board. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1074 "2017-05-26T09:12:22Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Damn. I was sure I’d left some goalposts around here. Maybe I left them in my other pants. Those suckers do move fast. > [@octopus](#): > > That will still be 18 years of underpayment for most of NATO. Just because they are correcting it, supposedly, doesn’t mean they aren’t currently underpaying. Quick - there they go! After them! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1075 "2017-05-26T11:25:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The US should take a strong position regarding freeloading European nations. Seriously, if the Big Orange Russian Agent took a dump on the Resolute Desk, you’d find a way to praise him for it. What a brilliant move! It saves him the time to go to the men’s room! Brilliant! What a fucking boor. Shoves one leader aside to mug for the camera. Insults the Germans. Calls the other nations freeloaders. What an embarrassment for humanity and indeed all carbon based life forms. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1076 "2017-05-26T12:19:52Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > ICE agents eat breakfast, compliment chef, then arrest 3 workers [at Michigan restaurant](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-michigan-restaurant-immigration-arrests-20170525-story.html). So, the headline pisses me off enough, but in the story, you also see that they arrested and handcuffed another person, until he managed to show them his permanent resident card. Sounds less targeted enforcement, and more of a racially biased dragnet. Arrest all those who do not look like they should be here, and then make them prove they have a right to be. How long till that makes mistakes, where permanent resident or even citizens are fast track deported because they forgot to carry their papers that day. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1077 "2017-05-26T14:34:27Z")
I can’t wait until those European moochers meet their military spending obligations so America can slash its bloated defense budget, said no one. Wait, nevermind, Russia is a decaying power with the GDP of Italy, they’re no threat at all. No, wait, Russia is a superpower posed to prey on poor, defenseless Europe and they’re hacking everybody! Don’t cross the narrative streams. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1078 "2017-05-26T14:47:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Seriously, if the Big Orange Russian Agent took a dump on the Resolute Desk, you’d find a way to praise him for it. What a brilliant move! It saves him the time to go to the men’s room! Brilliant! > > What a fucking boor. Shoves one leader aside to mug for the camera. Insults the Germans. Calls the other nations freeloaders. What an embarrassment for humanity and indeed all carbon based life forms. What? You’re obviously confused. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1079 "2017-05-26T14:49:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That will still be 18 years of underpayment for most of NATO. Just because they are correcting it, supposedly, doesn’t mean they aren’t currently underpaying. “Underpayment” based on Trump’s bullshit? Perhaps. Based on the real world and facts? I don’t think so. You can choose what to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/1080 "2017-05-26T15:15:44Z")
What if they didn’t like the level of protection NATO was offering? Why should they have to pay? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640.md?page=55)