# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 138
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2741 "2022-12-06T05:43:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > DNA evidence from a close relative is not “circumstantial” It is if it’s not conclusive. You can’t convict someone based on the idea that this other person is a niece of the man you’re looking for so this DNA is probably good enough. It has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2742 "2022-12-06T07:35:51Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Trying to visualize how this would play out. A Big Mac on a string hanging just outside the gates of Mar-A-Lago, and two guys hiding in the bushes on either side with shock prods and mouth swabs (with extra long bite-proof sticks). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2743 "2022-12-06T12:53:07Z")
I vote for this strategy. * * * * * * > [@Aspenglow](#): > > They’ll just get a warrant. Law enforcement do this all the time with people who refuse to comply. Won’t a warrant prompt a series of lawsuits, etc., to block the DNA sampling? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2744 "2022-12-06T15:28:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Won’t a warrant prompt a series of lawsuits, etc., to block the DNA sampling? With the recent sanctions in AZ, I think any Trump lawyers would be leery of filing something like that. A DNA sample seems like a pretty common thing these days, and I don’t see what grounds they would have (executive privilege is likely what Trump would like, but presumably even Loose Cannon wouldn’t buy that one). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2745 "2022-12-06T15:47:43Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I don’t see what grounds they would have The “I don’t want to because I’m special” defense. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2746 "2022-12-06T16:23:02Z")
I dunno…this seems like an awfully _reasonable_ position. Not trumpian at all. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2747 "2022-12-06T16:34:59Z")
Even if he can’t convince his lawyers to file suits disputing the warrant, he will probably go the passive resistance route and simple ignore the subpoena. It isn’t as if the court is going to send a couple of guys to forcibly hold him down while his cheeks get swabbed (excuse me while I sit for a couple of minutes relishing that image). Of course this risks his getting additional sanctions from the judge or maybe an Alex Jones style summary judgement, but paying off the civil defamation suit is much preferable to providing evidence that links him to criminal rape. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2748 "2022-12-06T16:55:16Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > It is if it’s not conclusive. Even direct evidence is rarely “conclusive.” > You can’t convict someone based on the idea that this other person is a niece of the man you’re looking for so this DNA is probably good enough. It has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Sure you can. You can convict without any DNA at all. We have the testimony of the alleged victim. Many have gone to prison with just that. Some DNA evidence on top of that just adds to the level of proof. (of course, a jury might not be convinced, but they _could_ convict based on that evidence) ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2749 "2022-12-06T19:18:42Z")
Couldn’t they just have one of his Secret Service guys swipe one of his empty Diet Coke cans? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2750 "2022-12-06T19:26:23Z")
I imagine that would be inadmissible in court. As would any DNA that TFG did not agreed to give up. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2751 "2022-12-06T19:27:14Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I imagine that would be inadmissible in court. You mean all those cop and/or lawyer shows are wrong? \< boggle \> ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2752 "2022-12-06T19:29:25Z")
Not necessarily: [Soda Can DNA Helps Cops Solve Break-Ins - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/soda-can-dna-helps-cops-solve-break-ins/) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2753 "2022-12-06T21:03:18Z")
IANAL but if Trump threw away the Diet Coke can in the trash and they knew for certain it was his (maybe his Secret Service detail confirms that he’s the only one in the household that drinks the stuff), once the trash goes out it’s fair game. They could get the sample from it, no swiping necessary. > **[Can Police Search Through Your Trash? - FindLaw](https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/can-police-search-through-your-trash/)** > > You may have never found your trash to be anyone's treasure, but it easily could be the target of a police search. As the law stands, there is no expectation of privacy in trash that you put out by the curb, and law enforcement can rifle through your... Though I think that varies by jurisdiction. > **[Court: Police can’t rummage through garbage without warrant](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/court-police-cant-rummage-through-garbage-without-warrant/)** > > PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The Oregon Supreme Court disagreed with more than 50 years of state case law by ruling that Oregonians retain a privacy interest in the garbage they leave on the curb for pick-up. That means police can't... ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2754 "2022-12-06T21:44:00Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They could get the sample from it, no swiping necessary. This discussions is sort of starting to make me ill. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2755 "2022-12-06T21:52:14Z")
> **[Trump Organization found guilty on all counts of criminal tax fraud | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html)** > > A Manhattan jury has found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation... This is the Pit, isn’t it? “Suck It, Trumpy…!” ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2756 "2022-12-06T22:40:11Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > [https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html) > > This is the Pit, isn’t it? > > “Suck It, Trumpy…!” Anyone knowledgeable in this area care to weigh in on consequences? Or are we still several appeals and stalling tactics away from actual consequences? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2757 "2022-12-06T22:42:55Z")
I heard fines of such a magnitude that the company won’t be very bruised by, but restrictions on doing business, and banks becoming leery of opening the purse strings. I have nothing specific due to my lack of knowledge, but that’s it generally. (Also, the company having a bad reputation which (sarcasm) makes Trump feel bad.) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2758 "2022-12-06T22:58:49Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > banks becoming leery of opening the purse strings I thought those purse strings were closed long ago, and the real threat was banks calling in the loans they already had out. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2759 "2022-12-06T23:04:32Z")
It sure could be. I’m a financial dumb person. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/2760 "2022-12-06T23:08:06Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Anyone knowledgeable in this area Me, too! That’s why I hailed “anyone knowledgeable in this area.” 😵‍💫 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=137) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=139)