# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 179
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3561 "2023-05-16T05:15:00Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > But that’s not a legal defense anywhere. The only court of law Trump ever gives a thought to is the court of public opinion, and there it’s a perfectly cromulent defense to the credulous. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3562 "2023-05-16T17:06:30Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I haven’t been following Trump’s inane (and insane) shenanigans closely recently, but as far as I have heard, he hasn’t suggested that him being “prevented“ from testifying is a ground of appeal. Rather, it is just something that he has said in one of his whiny public rants. I believe the assumption his followers are supposed to infer is that the evil, biased, America-hating, Dem-appointed judge prevented him from testifying, not that his own lawyers recommended he not. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3563 "2023-05-17T02:44:15Z")
It’s possible he was fully conscious that his own lawyers said he shouldn’t testify but deliberately misled the crowd by implying that the court prevented him from testifying. It’s also possible that he is sufficiently self deceiving that he actually believes he was in some way “prevented” from testifying because his own lawyers insisted it would be a bad idea. I don’t know which of these two possibilities is correct. The extent to which Trump is conscious of his own bullshit is an open question. I tend towards the view he is not a person capable of distinguishing between what he wants to believe and what is real. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3564 "2023-05-17T02:48:22Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I tend towards the view he is not a person capable of distinguishing between what he wants to believe and what is real. I think the real issue is that, for him, for his entire life, whether whatever he says is true or not, has not mattered a whit. That leads to someone who is simply incapable of determining reality. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3565 "2023-05-17T04:25:08Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > It’s also possible that he is sufficiently self deceiving that he actually believes he was in some way “prevented” from testifying because his own lawyers insisted it would be a bad idea. Don has been creating his own reality for some time now. Maybe even all his life. That’s why gaslighting comes so easily to him. He’s a pathological liar and it’s possible he doesn’t even realize he’s fabricating his world. In his world, he’s always the winner, never the loser. If he states it is thus, then it is thus, even if it wasn’t yesterday. Individual 1 is not the kind of person who should EVER be trusted with running ANYTHING. The fact that he was President for four years with seriously f_cking up the country is a miracle. Well…f_cking it up worse than it is with all the MAGA followers. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3566 "2023-05-17T05:12:55Z")
It has mattered to some extent – he has been forced to settle or lost numerous court cases, gone bankrupt regularly etc. I think it’s not so much that his bullshit has not mattered a whit as that he has the type of personality which allows him to just put failures out of his mind and pretend they never happened. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3567 "2023-05-17T13:58:34Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > he has the type of personality which allows him to just put failures out of his mind and pretend they never happened. Weren’t there reports in the news after the election that he was seen sitting in the Oval Office saying over and over again “I won. I won”? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3568 "2023-05-17T14:14:13Z")
Not surprising There have been reports he is greatly influenced by “The Power of Positive Thinking” and was dumb enough to think it was literally true, i.e. believe strongly enough and the world will change to match. Being wealthy enough from an early age to have people suck up and not ever contradict him life of course did nothing to discourage such an inane belief. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3569 "2023-05-17T21:43:36Z")
He’s like the Squire of Gothos? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3570 "2023-05-17T21:48:11Z")
> **[The Squire of Gothos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Squire_of_Gothos)** > > "The Squire of Gothos" is the 17th episode of the first season of the American science-fiction television series, Star Trek. Written by Paul Schneider, and directed by Don McDougall, it first aired on January 12, 1967. > In the episode, the childish but powerful ruler of the planet Gothos captures the crew of the Enterprise for his own amusement. > The USS Enterprise, under the command of Captain Kirk, is on an 8-day supply mission to Colony Beta VI. Passing through a "star desert", the ship encoun... ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3571 "2023-05-18T00:10:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > But that’s not a legal defense anywhere. > > The only court of law Trump ever gives a thought to is the court of public opinion, and there it’s a perfectly cromulent defense to the credulous. 100% correct. And the really sad part is, there are millions of those credulous. They will be happy and proud to believe and spout Trump’s ridiculous excuse. > > [@Princhester](#): > > certainly wasn’t meaning to suggest that clients who think this way can use it as any form of legal defence. Rather, it’s simply how they reference the decision in subsequent discussions. … I know; I wasn’t accusing you of anything, but rather just attempting to add to the discussion. Trump’s excuses, for this and a billion other incidents and failures throughout his life, would make a genuinely impressive Presidential Library. Just the excuses; nothing more. They’d need a thousand acres for the building-size required, even if all the excuses were inscribed _only_ on digital media… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3572 "2023-05-18T02:02:02Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Trump’s excuses, for this and a billion other incidents and failures throughout his life, would make a genuinely impressive Presidential Library. Just the excuses; nothing more. The Trump Presidential Whine Gallery ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3573 "2023-05-18T02:46:20Z")
Free cheese provided., ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3574 "2023-05-18T03:13:36Z")
The best cat in the world is still dead and that racist, raping reprobate is still breathing. It pisses me off every day. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3575 "2023-05-18T04:20:54Z")
Hear, hear! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3576 "2023-05-19T00:54:07Z")
I’m pissed off that everyone (including us) is still spending so much time, energy, and bandwidth talking and thinking about him! I hate that what he says and does still **matters** – while recognizing that it does. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3577 "2023-05-19T01:12:35Z")
Amen, singin’ to the choir. I don’t want to ignore him though. He gets away with enough shit when he’s being watched. Imagine what he’d do if everyone tried to ignore him. Though the thought of his orange face turning purple when people stopped paying attention is strangely tempting. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3578 "2023-05-19T01:49:29Z")
I know we can’t ignore him. That makes it even more infuriating. 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3579 "2023-05-19T02:33:29Z")
He became the problem he is because in the beginning of his shenanigans (when I was a wee 'un growing up on the Eastern Seaboard), nobody was watching him then and thus he wasn’t held accountable. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2023, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/3580 "2023-05-19T04:29:55Z")
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