# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 215
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4281 "2023-08-14T12:05:45Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > That’s the problem—love him or hate him, he’s charismatic. Not to me. He’s just a stupid asshole. Obama is charismatic. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4282 "2023-08-14T12:17:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Not to me. He’s just a stupid asshole. Obama is charismatic. I prefer Obama a million times over Trump. Intelligent too. But if Trump wasn’t charismatic, he wouldn’t be in the news everyday. He’s an attention whore. He craves it. It would be great if he could be charged and convicted and we never hear about it, but you know that’s not going to happen. He keeps getting more popular among MAGAts—and there are way too many of them. Even stupid people have a right to vote. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4283 "2023-08-14T13:13:32Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I prefer Obama a million times over Trump. But that’s like saying you prefer cake to being run over by a bus. Ya just can’t compare the two. And they are way more different than apples and oranges. ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4284 "2023-08-14T14:25:45Z")
I don’t think I’ve seen another human being less charismatic to me than Trump. He is a charisma vacuum, a charm black hole. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4285 "2023-08-14T14:32:01Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@Biffster](#): > > > > I prefer Obama a million times over Trump. > > But that’s like saying you prefer cake to being run over by a bus. Ya just can’t compare the two. And they are way more different than apples and oranges. Cue Eddie Izzard. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4286 "2023-08-14T14:37:24Z")
“Charisma” is just a word that aggregates a bunch of subjective traits. I think it’s dangerous to dismiss Trump as uncharismatic - he’s clearly got “it” so far as vast swaths of Americans are concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4287 "2023-08-14T14:40:37Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#): > > I don’t think I’ve seen another human being less charismatic to me than Trump. He is a charisma vacuum, a charm black hole. There’s got to be a Terry Pratchett quote somewhere… ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4288 "2023-08-14T14:50:47Z")
According to [Wordnik](https://www.wordnik.com/words/charisma), the first definition of ‘charisma’ is: > A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm. I don’t know how rare this quality is, but this does accurately describe DJT. The second definition is: > Personal magnetism or charm. This is extremely inaccurate, regarding DJT. I always associated _charisma_ with the latter definition. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4289 "2023-08-14T14:57:37Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > > Personal magnetism or charm. > > This is extremely inaccurate, regarding DJT. > > I always associated _charisma_ with the latter definition. YMMV. Yup. Me too. Never really thought about it the way the first definition describes it. There has to be a better word for that first definition. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4290 "2023-08-14T15:01:02Z")
I’ve read personal accounts from people who are decidedly not fans of Trump that, in person, he is actually charming and funny. Like con men often are. He has real skills and talents - he just never puts them to anyone’s benefit but himself. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4291 "2023-08-14T15:04:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He has real skills and talents - he just never puts them to anyone’s benefit but himself. And he hides them well I guess. It could be the whole “I’m a stupid corrupt buffoon” thing is merely an act. But I guess you’d say it’s working for him. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4292 "2023-08-14T15:36:10Z")
His public rallies speak to MAGANAUTS. Crude, violent, simplistic slogans, slanderous nicknames. Playground bully tactics. He loves the “…common clay of the land, you know, morons”. If he’s sellig real-estate or smoozing with money, a different beast - still a beast inside. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4293 "2023-08-14T15:46:41Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Even stupid people have a right to vote. I can’t help but think that this could be the country’s epitaph. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4294 "2023-08-14T15:52:28Z")
> [@Mr.Greenjeans](#): > > I can’t help but think that this could be the country’s epitaph. Trumps should be “Even criminals can be President” ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4295 "2023-08-14T16:19:08Z")
Or, “You can’t fool all the people all the time but you can fool some of the people all that time and that may be enough.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4296 "2023-08-14T17:42:55Z")
He’d try any judge’s patience: > **['Daring the judge': Donald Trump attacks judge in 2020 election case, despite...](https://www.aol.com/daring-judge-donald-trump-attacks-141030157.html)** > > U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan "obviously wants me behind bars. VERY BIASED & UNFAIR!" Trump said in a Truth Social post just after 1 a.m. ET ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4297 "2023-08-14T17:56:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [I]n person, he is actually… funny. Penn Jillette spent two seasons with Trump on _The Celebrity Apprentice_. This is what he had to say in 2019: > You have never seen someone who’s never laughed sincerely, and never made a joke. He will laugh in a bully way—‘Haha! You look kind of fat, Joe!’ He’ll do that. But never even a joke. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4298 "2023-08-14T17:57:24Z")
I’m upset that he’s exceeded the limit of the English language. He’s now twice-impeached and thrice-indicted. But there is no word to follow thrice. I suppose we could make up quadrice but still, it’s amazing that there is no word to describe the number of indictments. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4299 "2023-08-14T18:07:40Z")
Quadruply? Is that a word? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4300 "2023-08-14T18:12:40Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Penn Jillette spent two seasons with Trump on _The Celebrity Apprentice_. I would love to see Penn turn the tables on Trump. Penn is quite intelligent, but Trump doesn’t understand that. Penn is big enough to say, that’s it, lets go. Sort of the way that Trump is bullying Federal Judges. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=214) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=216)