# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 221
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4401 "2023-09-15T17:33:05Z")
It’s hard to imagine a mental contest with DJT that Biden would lose. I’d like to see Donald, Biden, and Margie Green all play a game of Jeopardy. I suspect Biden would be playing Final Jeopardy all by himself. Not only does DJT lack native intelligence, he’s easily the most intellectually uncurious person ever to be elected to any office. I sincerely doubt he ever cracked a book in college and paid some schmuck to take his exams for him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4402 "2023-09-15T17:40:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > he’s easily the most intellectually uncurious person ever to be elected to any office I used to think the same about Duhbya. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4403 "2023-09-15T17:42:33Z")
Me too, but DJT makes Duhbya look like Churchill and Solomon rolled into one. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4404 "2023-09-15T17:46:20Z")
So let’s say those idiots are eventually able to dismantle the DOE and let states make up their own cirruculum and standards. Will that result in a wave universities rejecting applications summarily of students from Texas, Arkansas, ETC? "Dear applicant, we’re sorry but your transcript is mostly Prager U videos and American Christianity courses. " ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4405 "2023-09-15T18:07:00Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > and let states make up their own cirruculum and standards. That’s already how it works. The federal government has no authority whatsoever over state curricula. It exercises influence through grant monies and the enforcement of federal equal rights/access laws, but at the end of the day if Florida wants to make Any Rand the only approved reading for 11th grade social studies, that’s up to Florida. Dismantling the federal DOE is about dismantling programs that advocate for the ‘wrong’ types of students, and of course about the political theater of state rights. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4406 "2023-09-15T23:42:51Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Will that result in a wave universities rejecting applications summarily of students from Texas, Arkansas, ETC? That’s the conservative dream. Compulsory ignorance means more stupid voters to grift. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4407 "2023-09-16T15:51:47Z")
> **[Trump warns ‘cognitively impaired’ Biden will lead US into ‘World War II’](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-warns-biden-will-lead-us-into-world-war-ii)** > > Former President Donald Trump offered his latest criticism of President Joe Biden on Friday, warning the “cognitively impaired” incumbent would lead the country into “World War II” if he is reelected next year. Ah, yup. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4408 "2023-09-16T16:26:38Z")
Joe Biden, time traveler. Hey Prof., shouldn’t that go in the Joke thread? /s ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4409 "2023-09-16T16:42:38Z")
Didn’t Roosevelt do something too??? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4410 "2023-09-16T16:43:39Z")
Says a lot about the Washington Examiner, too. 🙄 I guess whatever trumpie says is correct and no editor dare correct him. Or else they just don’t know either. 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4411 "2023-09-16T17:02:26Z")
Likelihood is the examiner (no capitalization for these dummies) is joining the “throw trump … someplace else” movement. Dan ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4412 "2023-09-17T02:40:59Z")
Pot, meet Kettle. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4413 "2023-09-17T03:25:02Z")
I could see it though. Pardons are for guilty people and Trump doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong.He will certainly proclaim his innocence and he may prosecute those who prosecuted him but in his simplistic view the indictments would be rendered null and void just by him becoming President. Since the election was stolen from him (disclaimer: in his view, not mine), the indictments were just his political opponents trying to interfere and they don’t actually carry any weight. No use in pardoning someone for a made-up crime, right? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4414 "2023-09-17T04:23:27Z")
You’re giving Trump more credit for introspection and thought than he warrants. He doesn’t really think in terms of guilt or innocence. He thinks in terms of what is good for him and what is not. If it is not good for him to be considered guilty, then he’s not guilty, simple as that. He doesn’t actually care if he has actually done any of the things he has been accused of, and quite probably does not know (and certainly does not care) if they are crimes or not. Those are irrelevant to his way of thinking. Much of his public frustration has come from situations where he has to deal with people who actually do consider the truth and facts to be relevant or important, regardless of any personal cost or benefit. Just as most of us (especially on this board) consider facts to be important and the first thing we try to establish, his reflex is to consider what is personally beneficial and to assume other people act with some sort of personal benefit in mind. It’s an alien mode of thought to most of us, but, likewise, the way we think in terms of facts, evidence, ethical standards, etc is alien to him as well. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4415 "2023-09-17T14:46:39Z")
Although I believe that he could, alas, have constitutionally self-pardoned before leaving office, there’s no way in hell he could have restrained himself from boasting about it since then. If he pulls out a self-pardon now, probably backdated to January 19, 2021 or the like on White House letterhead he took with him upon leaving (along with those boxes upon boxes of classified documents), we’re going to have _another_ big case that will end up in SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4416 "2023-09-17T14:52:04Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Although I believe that he could, alas, have constitutionally self-pardoned before leaving office I find it deeply disturbing and VERY dangerous. But you may be right. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4417 "2023-09-17T14:53:20Z")
The Constitution doesn’t prohibit it, and it’s never been decided. There are strong arguments on both sides of the issue, naturally. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4418 "2023-09-17T15:01:21Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If he pulls out a self-pardon now, probably backdated to January 19, 2021 or the like on White House letterhead he took with him upon leaving (along with those boxes upon boxes of classified documents), we’re going to have _another_ big case that will end up in SCOTUS. Secret Pardons are like Secret Declassifications. Sure, maybe in your mind, you did all that, but how is anyone else supposed to know about it? If the actions aren’t public, they’re meaningless. There’s no other way this could work. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4419 "2023-09-17T15:05:51Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If he pulls out a self-pardon now, probably backdated to January 19, 2021 or the like on White House letterhead he took with him upon leaving (along with those boxes upon boxes of classified documents), we’re going to have _another_ big case that will end up in SCOTUS. He told Robin Welker on MTP this morning that he could have pardoned himself, but he didn’t, so claiming a prior pardon ain’t gonna work. He’s probably kicking himself for not thinking of it, though. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4420 "2023-09-17T15:16:30Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > He told Robin Welker on MTP this morning that he could have pardoned himself, but he didn’t, so claiming a prior pardon ain’t gonna work. He’s probably kicking himself for not thinking of it, though. He can’t pardon himself in Georgia. Or NY I’m pretty sure. Not sure if it’s a federal case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=220) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=222)