# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 222
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4421 "2023-09-17T15:29:46Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > claiming a prior pardon ain’t gonna work. He’s probably kicking himself for not thinking of it, though. But what if it was a _double_ secret pardon? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4422 "2023-09-17T17:22:04Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > …Robin Welker on MTP… Kristen Welker ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4423 "2023-09-17T18:38:49Z")
Jeez, that’s twice this week. First Kevin Newsom and now Robin Welker. Actually, I knew someone named Robin Welker years ago, so that’s where it came from. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4424 "2023-09-17T22:07:49Z")
Speaking of _Meet the Press_, he was asked what he was doing during the January 6 riots, and he said, “I’m not going to tell you.” [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-defiantly-says-i-m-not-going-to-tell-you-when-questioned-about-what-he-was-doing-during-the-january-6-riots/](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-defiantly-says-i-m-not-going-to-tell-you-when-questioned-about-what-he-was-doing-during-the-january-6-riots/) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4425 "2023-09-17T23:54:58Z")
Answer: stroking the mushroom. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4426 "2023-09-18T02:06:36Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > He can’t pardon himself in Georgia. Or NY I’m pretty sure. Not sure if it’s a federal case. Correct. He could only pardon himself - if at all - while in office, for Federal offenses. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4427 "2023-09-18T02:17:32Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Or NY I’m pretty sure. Not sure if it’s a federal case. No it’s a state case, they’re just holding it at a federal courthouse (which does confuse things). But they’re state charges for violating state law, > [@Horatius](#): > > Secret Pardons are like Secret Declassifications. Sure, maybe in your mind, you did all that, but how is anyone else supposed to know about it? If the actions aren’t public, they’re meaningless. It doesn’t have to be public, what matters is whether or not it was filed with the appropriate people. There is a [pardon office](https://www.justice.gov/pardon) that assists with pardons and makes them official. It’s similar to the bureaucrats who make certain that proper classifications/declassifications are communicated to those who need to know. So it wouldn’t be secret but wouldn’t necessarily be publicly announced. But it would need to be on file somewhere for the record. Trump can’t just claim something and have nothing to back it up just because he was POTUS for a few years. For fun I looked up any clemency cases at the pardon office’s web site with the last name “Trump” and nothing showed up. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4428 "2023-09-18T02:22:58Z")
There is no requirement that a pardon be filed, and the Pardon Office is not involved in every case. A number of Clinton’s last-minute pardons in January 2001 never went through that office. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4429 "2023-09-18T03:53:34Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Trump can’t just claim something and have nothing to back it up just because he was POTUS for a few years. Isn’t that what he’s been doing all along? Well, he’s also apparently [still making friends in Jewish circles](https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-wishes-liberal-jews-010925798.html): > Donald Trump Wishes ‘Liberal Jews’ a Happy New Year by Accusing Them of Destroying America > > Donald Trump decided to take time during Rosh Hashanah — the start of the Jewish High Holy days and the celebration of the New Year — to blame “liberal Jews” for voting to destroy America and Israel. > > “Just a quick reminder for liberal Jews who voted to destroy America & Israel because you believed in false narratives!,” [he wrote on Truth Social](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111083021216078581) on Sunday, presumably referring to the American Jewish support for Joe Biden in the 2020 election. “Let’s hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward!” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4430 "2023-09-18T04:45:32Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Speaking of _Meet the Press_, he was asked what he was doing during the January 6 riots, and he said, “I’m not going to tell you.” Well, that is certainly what an innocent person would say, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4431 "2023-09-18T04:52:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > For fun I looked up any clemency cases at the pardon office’s web site with the last name “Trump” and nothing showed up. Did you check for hard copies in the bathrooms at Mar-a-Lago? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4432 "2023-09-18T07:12:30Z")
What about a pardon for John Barron? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4433 "2023-09-18T13:16:33Z")
Trump says if he were back in the White House, he could end the Ukraine conflict in 24 hours. Yeah, I’ll bet he would: By betraying the Ukrainians just like we did the Kurds, and joining the conflict on Russia’s side. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4434 "2023-09-18T14:03:27Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Yeah, I’ll bet he would: By betraying the Ukrainians just like we did the Kurds, and joining the conflict on Russia’s side. Yup. He would pull the plug on all aid/munitions going to Ukraine. And threaten to pull out of NATO if other NATO countries did not do the same. Rinse and repeat for other Europeans countries. “Why should I care about Europe? It’s way far away”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4435 "2023-09-18T14:52:30Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > It’s way far away”. There was a (phone?) commercial a couple of years ago where a woman and a… creature(?) were talking on their phones. The woman says, ‘Why don’t you come over? You’re only ten feet away!’ The creature (or whatever) says in a disappointed tone of voice, ‘It’s far…’ I always use that certain inflection that I can’t describe in text when someone says ‘It’s far away’; or if someone (like a Trump supporter) can’t figure something out, ‘It’s hard…’ or ‘Math is hard…’ ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4436 "2023-09-20T01:32:40Z")
HA! John Barron… 😁 For Ukraine he says he pull the funding. I’m sure he’d then aid Russia with weapons. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4437 "2023-09-20T01:33:37Z")
But I thought “Russia, Russia, Russia” was a hoax? And that there’s no reason to believe Putin rigged the 2016 election in his favor? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4438 "2023-09-20T06:07:47Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > And that there’s no reason to believe Putin rigged the 2016 election in his favor? Correct, there is no reason to think that. That’s paranoid fantasy. Now, Russia did aid Trump via troll farms seeding the gullible with misinformation, but that’s no more rigging the election than saying that Biden rigged the 2020 election by making campaign speeches. Russia absolutely interfered in the election, but “rigging” entails vote fraud. Russia only wishes it could pull that off. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4439 "2023-09-20T13:33:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Russia only wishes it could pull that off. To hear some Arizonians, China sent submarines with soy sauce stained rice paper ballots to upend the 2020 election in their state. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4440 "2023-09-20T16:20:54Z")
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