# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 226
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4501 "2023-09-27T06:49:35Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Even your response shows signs of buying into the alternate reality field with which Trump surrounds himself. He and his supporters portray this as if it is entirely about politics - as if Trump’s actions were merely political, and the reaction to them should be decided in the political sphere. My response to Yoo’s question is exactly this. He wants the election to be considered only political (for Trump, not Biden), ignoring the crimes which he admits Trump has committed. He and his ilk want the pursuit of justice concerning Trump to be entangled and overridden by their political grievances. They don’t want voters to be concerned with facts that come out of Trump’s legal issues. They would rather the voters decide the election without this information. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4502 "2023-09-27T06:54:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Damn, I really enjoyed his films. Oops. The dipshit’s name is John Yoo. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4503 "2023-09-27T11:51:37Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yeah, we don’t “let the American people decide” whether or not somebody has broken the law. That is a matter to be determined by legal professionals. In fact, we do let the American people decide that, that’s what a trial by a jury of your peers is all about. We do of course have professionals deciding which cases should be presented to those juries. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4504 "2023-09-27T13:12:19Z")
The iDJiT plans to show support for striking autoworkers by going to a _non-union_ shop and the event will be invitation only. > **[Trump heads to Michigan to compete with Biden for union votes while his GOP...](https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/trump-heads-to-michigan-to-compete-with-biden-for-union-votes-while-his-gop-challengers-debate/)** > > Former President Donald Trump will be in battleground Michigan working to win over blue-collar voters in the midst of an autoworkers' strike. > **[Trump's rally to UAW members at non-union plant blasted by Fain as 'pathetic...](https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/trumps-rally-to-uaw-members-at-non-union-plant-blasted-by-fain-as-pathetic-irony)** > > Trump has performed well with union members, though leadership of the UAW has poured cold water on any support for the former president. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4505 "2023-09-27T13:36:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > The iDJiT plans to show support for striking autoworkers by going to a _non-union_ shop and the event will be invitation only. Yeah, I don’t think there is a Landscapers Union. Invitation only. Sheese. I hope the ‘event’ gets picketed. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4506 "2023-09-27T13:37:41Z")
Trump and Biden’s autoworker conduct might just shift some blue collar support in Biden’s direction. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4507 "2023-09-27T13:46:58Z")
Trump is trying to use the UAW as a wedge to drive between himself and Biden but the way he’s holding the wedge will likely drive more of them to Biden and the iDJiT, of course, hasn’t noticed. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4508 "2023-09-27T20:09:29Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Not just any gun shop, the one where the Jacksonville Dollar Store massacre perp bought his gun. Trump isn’t just dog-whistling to the “America was great when they were in their place” white supremacists but to the full-blown hate-filled eliminationists! … Is there anything supporting this? Or, is it just FAKE NEWS? As near as I can tell, the guns used in the Jacksonville Dollar Store incident were purchased in Florida. This gun shop is supposedly in in South Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4509 "2023-09-27T20:24:28Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > Is there anything supporting this? Or, is it just FAKE NEWS? As near as I can tell, the guns used in the Jacksonville Dollar Store incident were purchased in Florida. This gun shop is supposedly in in South Carolina See photo in this article. The name of the store is on the gun. [At least one weapon used in Jacksonville shooting came from South Carolina (wistv.com)](https://www.wistv.com/2023/08/29/least-one-weapon-used-jacksonville-shooting-came-south-carolina/) ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4510 "2023-09-27T20:47:53Z")
Yes, the one of the guns was manufactured in South Carolina, but both weapons used were purchased in Florida gun shops. > [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Not just any gun shop, the one where the Jacksonville Dollar Store massacre perp bought his gun. This appears to be fake. I can’t find it reported anywhere. There was not “the one” shop as the guns used were purchased in two different shops, besides the fact that both shops were in Florida, not South Carolina. YouTube Video of the Jacksonville Police Press Conference. Fast Forward to around 12:45 to see the gun shops involved identified. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RsXFaH5x0U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RsXFaH5x0U) (YouTube link) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4511 "2023-09-27T21:45:27Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > The name of the store is on the gun. Note that it’s not a “store”. It’s a firearms company. Yes, it has stores, but they also _manufacture_ weapons. > **[Palmetto State Armory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmetto_State_Armory)** > > Palmetto State Armory is an American firearms company based in Columbia, South Carolina. The name is derived from South Carolina's official nickname, "The Palmetto State". Palmetto State Armory operates several retail locations around the states of South Carolina, Georgia and North Carolina. > Jamin McCallum established Palmetto State Armory in 2008 after leaving a career in accounting. > Palmetto State Armory began with Jamin selling magazines and ammunition online by fulfilling orders out of his... > Palmetto State Armory began with Jamin selling magazines and ammunition online by fulfilling orders out of his garage. Shortly after, Palmetto State Armory began producing its own firearms, and firearm components. I own a handgun and I’m generally familiar with them. Guns are stamped by the manufacturer. I’ve never seen one stamped by a store. Although it’s possible the gun was bought at one of the company’s stores, your own cite never even claimed that, just that the gun was “from” (made) there. For example, I own a Smith and Wesson pistol. I did not buy it from S&W, even though their mark is on it. I bought it from a gun store. On the other hand, I have a couple of magazines that I did buy directly from S&W. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4512 "2023-09-28T05:37:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yeah, we don’t “let the American people decide” whether or not somebody has broken the law. That is a matter to be determined by legal professionals. Ideally, yes. But there are usually a dozen or so amateurs involved in the process as well. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4513 "2023-09-28T05:41:52Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > The iDJiT plans to show support for striking autoworkers by going to a _non-union_ shop and the event will be invitation only. > > [Trump heads to Michigan to compete with Biden for union votes while his GOP challengers debate - CBS Detroit](https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/trump-heads-to-michigan-to-compete-with-biden-for-union-votes-while-his-gop-challengers-debate/) > > [Trump’s rally to UAW members at non-union plant blasted by Fain as ‘pathetic irony’](https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/trumps-rally-to-uaw-members-at-non-union-plant-blasted-by-fain-as-pathetic-irony) I wouldn’t be surprised to see his campaign book a Taylor Swift cover act at one of his rallies. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4514 "2023-09-28T05:58:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Kimstu](#): > > > > Yeah, we don’t “let the American people decide” whether or not somebody has broken the law. That is a matter to be determined by legal professionals. > > Ideally, yes. But there are usually a dozen or so amateurs involved in the process as well. True, but IMHO a selected jury of American citizens is not the same thing as “the American people”. (And AFAICT, in fact, as Folacin remarked, a legal professional—specifically, a prosecutor—has to determine beforehand that there is at least a credible allegation of lawbreaking, in order for the dozen amateurs even to get a chance to officially state their opinion about it.) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4515 "2023-09-28T09:03:32Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Guns are stamped by the manufacturer. I’ve never seen one stamped by a store. Besides, “Palmetto” says South Carolina more to me than it does Florida. _A white palmetto tree on an indigo field. The canton contains a white crescent._ [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Flag_of_South_Carolina.svg/383px-Flag_of_South_Carolina.svg.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Flag_of_South_Carolina.svg/383px-Flag_of_South_Carolina.svg.png) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4516 "2023-09-28T18:22:55Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Kimstu](#): > > > > Yeah, we don’t “let the American people decide” whether or not somebody has broken the law. That is a matter to be determined by legal professionals. > > Ideally, yes. But there are usually a dozen or so amateurs involved in the process as well. Indeed: [The Twelve Men](https://www.chesterton.org/twelve-men/) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4517 "2023-10-01T15:47:05Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised to see his campaign book a Taylor Swift cover act at one of his rallies. Apparently he’s working on that right now by bringing Suzi Quatro out of retirement. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4518 "2023-10-01T17:40:19Z")
Assuming I’m not being whooshed, bringing a 73-year-old out of retirement sounds like a great way to connect with the kids. /s ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4519 "2023-10-02T22:17:22Z")
He apparently really pissed off John Kelly who gave an interview to CNN. “What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. "A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France. “A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. "A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. “There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.” I don’t know. You could have maybe said something earlier instead of continuing to work for him. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4520 "2023-10-03T00:49:08Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > You could have maybe said something earlier instead of continuing to work for him. Probably told himself he was the adult in the room. If not for him… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=225) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=227)