# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 227
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4521 "2023-10-03T03:09:43Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Probably told himself he was the adult in the room. Is “Probably” necessary here? Hasn’t he explicitly said this was his motivation? And for all that he cops a lot of heat like this: > [@psychobunny](#): > > You could have maybe said something earlier instead of continuing to work for him. it does seem to me that the harsh reality was that someone like Kelly could (while Trump was in office) prevent more harm by staying on the inside and doing his best to apply the brakes than by the empty gesture of resigning and denouncing Trump. Plenty of people denounced Trump while he was in office and it did nothing at all to stop him because once he was in office he was immune from effective attack. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4522 "2023-10-03T05:17:52Z")
He has been out of office for almost three years. Why not speak up earlier? Or does Kelly have a book coming out? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4523 "2023-10-03T10:09:29Z")
Kelly has criticized Trump previously. Feb 13, 2020: [Former White House chief of staff John Kelly levels harshest criticism yet at Trump](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-chief-staff-john-kelly-levels-harshest/story?id=68960326) January 7, 2021: [Trump’s ex-White House chief of staff John Kelly supports using 25th Amendment to remove the President](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/john-kelly-trump-25th-amendment-capitol-riot-cnntv/index.html) > [@](#): > > “I think that the Cabinet should meet and have a discussion [on using the 25th Amendment to the Constitution to remove the President from office]. I don’t think that it’ll happen, but I think the Cabinet should meet and discuss this because the behavior yesterday and in the weeks and months before that has just been outrageous from the President,” said Kelly, who has occasionally criticized Trump since leaving his post. > > “What happened on Capitol Hill yesterday is a direct result of his poisoning the minds of people with the lies and the frauds,” he added. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4524 "2023-10-03T10:18:55Z")
But Trump gave back his pay as President! And he’s constantly practicing his accordion lessons! ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4525 "2023-10-03T12:57:27Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > > [@psychobunny](#): > > > > You could have maybe said something earlier instead of continuing to work for him. > > it does seem to me that the harsh reality was that someone like Kelly could (while Trump was in office) prevent more harm by staying on the inside and doing his best to apply the brakes than by the empty gesture of resigning and denouncing Trump. All of Trump’s shortcomings were amply displayed when he campaigned for president in 2016. That would have been the proper time for people like Kelly to denounce him. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4526 "2023-10-03T13:05:22Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > All of Trump’s shortcomings were amply displayed when he campaigned for president in 2016. That would have been the proper time for people like Kelly to denounce him. But his supporters LOVE that Trump is a moron. They identify with him. His supporters don’t like educated ‘smarty pants’ people. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4527 "2023-10-03T13:11:14Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > All of Trump’s shortcomings were amply displayed when he campaigned for president in 2016. That would have been the proper time for people like Kelly to denounce him. Lots of people did denounce him then, and the voters still voted for him. Remember the line, “Elections have consequences”? At some point, you have to accept that he really did win, and really was going to be president, for better or worse (spoiler: it was ‘worse’). At that point, do you take a job with the administration, and try to mitigate the damage, or do you retire to your villa and watch Rome burn? Imagine what the US would look like in 2020, if the people who were hired in 2017 were the people Trump tried to install in office in 2020. You know, the ones who were willing to help him steal the election, not the ones who were ‘the adults in the room’. If Trump wins in 2024, we won’t have to imagine it, though. Trump will only hire sycophants right from Day 1 this time. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4528 "2023-10-03T13:15:15Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > All of Trump’s shortcomings were amply displayed when he campaigned for president in 2016. That would have been the proper time for people like Kelly to denounce him. > > But his supporters LOVE that Trump is a moron. They identify with him. His supporters don’t like educated ‘smarty pants’ people. But I’m not talking about MAGAts. I’m talking about people like Kelly who shouldn’t have needed to work in his administration to understand what a threat he is to decency and democracy. > [@Horatius](#): > > Lots of people did denounce him then, and the voters still voted for him. Remember the line, “Elections have consequences”? At some point, you have to accept that he really did win, and really was going to be president, for better or worse (spoiler: it was ‘worse’). > > At that point, do you take a job with the administration, and try to mitigate the damage, or do you retire to your villa and watch Rome burn? Fair point. It just pisses me off when people like Kelly seem surprised to learn what Trump was really like. We all could see what he was really like. What took them so fucking long? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4529 "2023-10-03T13:21:50Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > It just pisses me off when people like Kelly seem surprised to learn what Trump was really like. We all could see what he was really like. What took them so fucking long? I think what surprised them was that Trump actually wanted to “Do the job”. I know I was expecting him to be the first truly “figurehead” POTUS. He’d show up to ribbon-cuttings and the like, roll out a few classic hits like “Build the Wall!” and “Lock her up!”, and then go golfing while the people who actually do the work did things the way they’ve always done them. But then he went and actually wanted to affect policy. And that caught them all by surprise, while also highlighting how awful all his policy proposals were. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4530 "2023-10-03T14:05:27Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Fair point. It just pisses me off when people like Kelly seem surprised to learn what Trump was really like. We all could see what he was really like. What took them so fucking long? There is a long list of them. Many under indictment. They are losing their careers and any type respect they ever had. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4531 "2023-10-03T14:23:40Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > All of Trump’s shortcomings were amply displayed when he campaigned for president in 2016. That would have been the proper time for people like Kelly to denounce him. “People like Kelly”? Not just people like Kelly. When some of us on the SDMB (okay _two_ of us, one of whom is no longer here) began denouncing trump during the campaign and immediately after the election, many Dopers shouted us down and said to “give trump a chance.” When I started the _Clusterfuck_ thread, I was told that I was overreacting and to calm down. Hindsight is great, aint it? Yeah, lots of people at every level of society and government who should have denounced trump from the get-go _didn’t._ No one could possibly have foreseen _(well, almost no one)_ **how bad it would get**. And absolutely no one could have foreseen that we’d still be dealing with this deranged, narcissistic maniac all these years later. Not to mention that he could very well be elected _again_. Yeah, hindsight. 🤦🏽‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4532 "2023-10-03T14:34:09Z")
And wasn’t he supposed to magically “pivot” at some point? ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4533 "2023-10-03T14:34:51Z")
I would like to see some of that thread. I wasn’t here then, but I figured he would be a disaster. When they called it for him that night I threw my phone across the the room. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4534 "2023-10-03T14:39:59Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > And wasn’t he supposed to magically “pivot” at some point? He’s going to start acting “presidential” any minute now. 🙄 🙄 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4535 "2023-10-03T14:43:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > When some of us on the SDMB (okay _two_ of us, one of whom is no longer here) began denouncing trump during the campaign and immediately after the election, many Dopers shouted us down and said to “give trump a chance.” Really? I joined the Dope in 2017 and found most Dopers to be intensely anti-Trump. Was the pre-administration vibe truly open to giving him a chance, with you and a few others the only holdouts? How quickly it must have turned around. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4536 "2023-10-03T15:03:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > When some of us on the SDMB (okay _two_ of us, one of whom is no longer here) began denouncing trump during the campaign and immediately after the election, many Dopers shouted us down and said to “give trump a chance.” I’m still here. And I despised that piece of shit from day one. I’m sure there are about 100 dopers that feel the same. Might be a 1000. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4537 "2023-10-03T15:04:51Z")
Sing it! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4538 "2023-10-03T15:15:42Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’m still here. And I despised that piece of shit from day one. I’m sure there are about 100 dopers that feel the same. Might be a 1000. Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4539 "2023-10-03T15:16:10Z")
I went to bed that night before they called it. The next morning, my husband woke me up and said, “Trump won.” About halfway through my morning shower, I realized that my husband doesn’t play those kind of jokes and was thus telling the truth. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around it ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/4540 "2023-10-03T15:20:23Z")
To this day I can’t wrap my head around the whole trump … thing … I just don’t get it. I know nice people who think he’s great. Guh [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=226) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=228)