# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 279
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5561 "2024-01-12T00:37:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > In other words, Trump has not one fucking clue who his running mate will be. Yeah, he’s not going to announce now and miss out on all the sweet, sweet ass-kissing and he can’t take the chance that any also-rans will turn against him. It wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even pick one during the convention. Does a candidate have to have a running mate to start with in the general election? I’m sure he thinks he is the only important part of the ticket and that a VP is just a yes-man he can add at any time. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5562 "2024-01-12T03:08:51Z")
“The tow truck driver came up to me, big guy, with tears in his eyes, and he said sir…” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5563 "2024-01-12T04:54:37Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > It made me think of Dana Carvey’s Church Lady. “Hmmm, could it be… SATAN?” I think you’ve just written a two-panel meme (to be rendered by someone moire motivated than I). ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5564 "2024-01-12T05:13:49Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > There is one quote in the article that I think is relevant: > > > The retired agent who spoke to ABC News also pushed back on reports that the agents were taking their cues directly from the president. > > > > “The Secret Service has established protocols and procedures that are followed through a chain of command,” he said. “No agent should ever take it upon themselves to violate a protective procedure unless cleared by a supervisor, or if there was immediate danger of injury or death.” > > To me that’s saying that the Secret Service will not obey the POTUS (or anyone else under their protection) if they are told to do something that compromises safety. Only orders through the proper chain of command are obeyed, and that doesn’t include orders coming directly from the top itself. Which makes sense. If the Secret Service couldn’t protect a person from themselves, they wouldn’t be nearly as effective. That may be correct but it’s relatively superficial. It doesn’t say anything at all about what the chain of command might ultimately say. It may well be the case that if a POTUS or former POTUS put their foot down and simply said “I’m a citizen of United States and there is no law that permits you to stop me from driving and unless you relent I’m getting a court order restraining you from preventing me from doing so” ultimately the SS would have to back down, particularly for an ex-POTUS. I suspect the reality is that this issue gets confused because while there are universally accepted strong rules/guidelines/protocols that the SS tries its utmost to enforce, at base the actual law involved means that they would have to relent if pressed. There is consequently widespread prevarication on what exactly “can’t” means in this context. I suspect what ex-POTUS’s actually mean is “can’t without upsetting a lot of people, arguably endangering myself etc” not “legally and physically can’t”. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5565 "2024-01-12T13:19:04Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > former POTUS put their foot down and simply said “I’m a citizen of United States and there is no law that permits you to stop me from driving and unless you relent I’m getting a court order restraining you from preventing me from doing so” ultimately the SS would have to back down, particularly for an ex-POTUS. I wonder if the SS could read that as ‘declining SS protection’ and just pull out entirely? In addition to putting the ex-POTUS at additional risk, it does the same to the protective agents. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5566 "2024-01-12T16:14:37Z")
The President is the boss of the Secretary of DHS, who is the boss of the director of the Secret Service. A pushy, determined President could, if he _insisted_, drive on public roads, notwithstanding USSS policy. I cited several examples in my Staff Report, linked above, of Presidents disregarding the very earnestly-offered guidance of their protective details, even on 9-11. An ex-President would have less leverage, I suppose, but could still do it. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5567 "2024-01-12T17:31:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@enipla](#): > > > > Serious question, has Trump ever driven a car? > > If that’s a serious question the answer is yes. I even posted a video on the SDMB filming him driving, prior to being POTUS. > > I’ll repost it: > > [https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1E3WKTblNM](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1E3WKTblNM) Enipla’s having us on. Again, apparently. Dan ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5568 "2024-01-12T17:34:06Z")
🤷‍♂️ Uh… it was a serious question. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5569 "2024-01-12T17:37:29Z")
uh…does that preclude an unserious answer? I see a hairhead driving, not enough profile to ID. Oh! Were you the videographer? Dan ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5570 "2024-01-12T18:17:54Z")
You should be talking to @Atamasama . They shared the video to my question. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5571 "2024-01-12T18:37:29Z")
Ah, Atamasama is your cite - well, done and dusted. Actually, I am happy that you don,t seem to be offended, since both you and Atamasama are among my favorite posters. I dislike (too mild a word) the trumperrhoid so much that I’m disinclined to give him credit for even breathing on his own - the jerk couldn’t even operate a paperclip: “Who knew that paperclips were so difficult?” Anyway, we’ve spent enough time on this trump issue, unless Ata chimes in with an actual cite for this video. Thanks. Dan ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5572 "2024-01-12T18:58:13Z")
> [@Dandan](#): > > Anyway, we’ve spent enough time on this trump issue, unless Ata chimes in with an actual cite for this video. I’m not @Atamasama, but that video was apparently first posted on Melania’s Facebook page. > **[Fun night with my two boys DJT & BWT ❤️ | By Melania Trump | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/MelaniaTrump/videos/fun-night-with-my-two-boys-djt-bwt-%EF%B8%8F/10152885331287808/)** > > Fun night with my two boys DJT & BWT ❤️ ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5573 "2024-01-12T19:13:48Z")
> [@Dandan](#): > > “Who knew that paperclips were so difficult?” [Microsoft](https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2022/08/origin-story-of-clippy-the-microsoft-office-assistant)? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5574 "2024-01-12T19:29:59Z")
[Uncle Sam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip)? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5575 "2024-01-12T19:30:43Z")
For most people that would be a good enough cite. I mean why would one bother faking something as trivial as driving around? But given that this is the Trump family I’m going to need a DNA sample and full retinal print of the driver before I accept that video for what it appears to be. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5576 "2024-01-12T19:40:36Z")
Jeeze, Buck, you’re close to impugning Melania and/or facebook. You go, guy/girl! (actually I’ve met very few girls/whatever called Buck) Dan ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5577 "2024-01-12T19:44:14Z")
Here’s an article about the Trump driving video. > **[People are re-sharing this video of Trump and his family driving in silence...](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/donald-trump-taylor-swift-blank-space-car-video-melania-trump-barron-rolls-royce-facebook-a7725976.html)** > > The unearthed video from December 2014 is being reshared across the internet ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5578 "2024-01-12T19:59:32Z")
Well, the weight of evidence is…oooh…ugh…erk… (cue clip of trump doing his weight-lifting bit for “Ma”, who would be very proud.) Thanks for the link. Dan ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5579 "2024-01-12T21:40:49Z")
Actually I’m very proud of Donald, because he’s said there won’t be any retribution when he gets back in office (🤮) Doesn’t that make you happy? Weasely sh\*t-stain. The words are already out there. > **[Trump backs off 2024 campaign theme threatening political 'retribution'](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-backs-off-2024-campaign-theme-threatening-political/story?id=106294502)** > > Donald Trump, whose spent much of the 2024 campaign vowing revenge on his political enemies, now says he won't "have time for retribution." ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5580 "2024-01-12T21:49:38Z")
Well, he said he wouldn’t have time for retribution. You know, like when he said he wouldn’t have time for golf. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=278) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=280)