# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 298
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5941 "2024-02-18T05:33:12Z")
Grover Cleveland, the 22nd and 24th president of the United States, was the only president ever to serve two non-consecutive terms. Just how it works if the office changes hands. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5942 "2024-02-18T05:38:54Z")
From what I’ve been reading that is already happening. I mean, it’s not gone but he doesn’t seem to be raising the kind of money he used to. It may finally be getting through to some people that he’s a massive loser. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5943 "2024-02-18T05:50:06Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > It’s a count of Presidents, not Presidential terms. You’re not the Nth and (N+1)th President if you serve two consecutive terms, you remain the Nth person to _be_ President. Cleveland was an outlier which messed up the count and I guess nobody really put any thought into it at the time. Truman was also confused about it. > [@](#): > > To Harry S. Truman, [this didn’t make sense](http://www.trumanlibrary.org/kids/33rd.htm). “If you count the administrations of Grover Cleveland twice,” he said, “because another President held office between his first and second term, you might try to justify the designation of me as thirty-third president. But then why don’t you number all the second terms of other Presidents and the third and fourth terms of President Roosevelt, and where will I be? I am the thirty-second President.” [Why Does Grover Cleveland Count as Two Presidents? | Mental Floss](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/54127/why-does-grover-cleveland-count-two-presidents) But you can be sure that if Trump is elected he will make this into the biggest deal possible. He gets two numbers! And he deserves it unlike that loser Cleveland. He will never shut up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5944 "2024-02-18T05:55:38Z")
Thanks for the link. I had been planning to vote for Trump, but I certainly cannot countenance a reckless continuation of this numbering travesty. I’m a single issue voter, correct arithmetic. It’s Biden all the way! ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5945 "2024-02-18T07:01:19Z")
It doesn’t makes sense to refer to individual 1 as the 45th president if Biden came after him as the 46th. While rare, a person can serve two non-consecutive terms, though most have the humility to leave when their time is done. Trump has no humility. Nonetheless, if he were re-elected, he would indeed be the 47th POTUS. I believe they count by presidential terms, not bodies. An eight year term (which is the norm unless you’re a girly-man loser) would still be one uninterrupted term. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5946 "2024-02-18T09:21:40Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I had been planning to vote for Trump, but I certainly cannot countenance a reckless continuation of this numbering travesty. In my case I am forever loyal to the 45th President. But since I learned that a reelected Trump would be the 47th? That will not stand! He has lost my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Gretzky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gretzky/32/6682_2.png) [@Gretzky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gretzky)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5947 "2024-02-18T23:46:27Z")
I almost wish trump had won four years ago. The pain would soon be ending instead of beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5948 "2024-02-18T23:55:09Z")
I don’t know if America would survive a second Trump term. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5949 "2024-02-19T00:26:22Z")
> [@Gretzky](#): > > I almost wish trump had won four years ago. The pain would soon be ending instead of beginning. No, we’d be facing the different pain of how to keep him from running again. And all the people he put into place in government would be on his side. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5950 "2024-02-19T00:36:53Z")
Or one of Trump’s kids would be running as the heir apparent and the GOP would just be kowtowing to the continuation of the dynasty. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5951 "2024-02-19T01:22:35Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > one of Trump’s kids would be running as the heir apparent This. At one point, Junior was crowing about running in 2024 to succeed Daddy. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5952 "2024-02-19T01:28:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Or one of Trump’s kids would be running as the heir apparent and the GOP would just be kowtowing to the continuation of the dynasty I don’t believe this would happen. Both of the sons are extremely unlikable imbeciles far beyond what daddy is, without any of the (shudder) charisma. I don’t think they’d ever get a following. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5953 "2024-02-19T01:51:01Z")
I agree. I don’t think any of his children will manage to maintain whatever it is that appeals to his audience. I have no idea what will happen to his movement when he goes away. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5954 "2024-02-19T02:06:49Z")
He thinks he’s a Kennedy. Jamie Kennedy, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5955 "2024-02-19T02:10:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I don’t think any of his children will manage to maintain whatever it is that appeals to his audience. Well, Donnie had a leg up because he inherited a lot of money from his Dad. Junior, et al. aren’t going to inherit shit, at this point. Okay, that’s not entirely true. They’ll still be stuck with have the shit name. ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5956 "2024-02-19T04:40:58Z")
> [@Gretzky](#): > > I almost wish trump had won four years ago. The pain would soon be ending instead of beginning. I truly believe that, if he gets another term, he will try to stay president. I don’t know how, but he will try. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5957 "2024-02-19T05:11:51Z")
> [@StraightTalk](#): > > I truly believe that, if he gets another term, he will try to stay president. It used to be “He wants to be president for life” was the hallmark of conspiracy theory nonsense about the US President. But Trump, in his first term, was the only president who actually talked about it, even if he claimed to be “joking”. That’s qualitatively different from anything that came before him. I don’t know for sure that he’ll do this, but the fact that I’m _not_ sure he _won’t_ do it is really disturbing. He’s made the outlandish seem plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5958 "2024-02-19T06:01:21Z")
Grover Cleveland has always had two numbers for his two terms as President, in every listing I’ve ever seen. I hope he holds his unique record as the only POTUS to serve nonconsecutive terms for _many_ years to come! ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5959 "2024-02-19T06:26:57Z")
If Trump wins this election he will talk about how he now has two numbers, 45 & 47, all the time. He will never shut up about how special that is and, yeah, one other president had two but nobody remembers that loser democrat and he didn’t get more votes than anyone in history so only Trump really deserves two numbers, 45 & 47, but he just calls himself 47 because it’s a more beautiful number because it’s bigger but 45 is beautiful, too, and he is the best president ever! The merchandising alone will bring on nightmares. We can’t let that happen. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/5960 "2024-02-19T06:57:57Z")
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