# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/701 "2022-01-17T22:09:01Z")
I don’t agree that if Trump had shown some leadership during the pandemic that he would have lost his base. They certainly wouldn’t have voted against him, but they may not have bothered to vote. Whether or not he would have gained enough support for his leadership to offset the loss of voters is something we’ll never know. This Trump pollster would seem to agree with my opinion: > **[Poor handling of virus cost Trump his reelection, campaign autopsy finds](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poor-handling-of-virus-cost-trump-his-reelection-campaign-autopsy-finds/2021/02/01/92d60002-650b-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html)** > > A 27-page document from pollster Tony Fabrizio also says Trump lost ground among key demographic groups. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/702 "2022-01-17T23:13:12Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > He’s nothing more than a furry mascot whipping up the crowd for his team. I read this as “ **fury** mascot” and honestly, it works better. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/703 "2022-01-17T23:20:14Z")
But did he lose the furry vote? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/704 "2022-01-18T00:33:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And if my Aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. And (as my grandfather used to say) if your grandmother had wheels, she be a trolley car. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/705 "2022-01-18T01:01:25Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I guess what I’m saying is, I think it really was quite central to his persona and his character, even before he made his statement about Mexican people. I think people simply chose to overlook it. > > My jaw was on the ground and stayed there throughout his birtherism period. No one seemed to care, and to me, it was like a screaming siren. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > Those within the specified radius presumably have been quite familiar with his history of discrimination. Further afield, such things are easy to miss and you get stuff like [an endorsement a predominately Black weekly paper,](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-me-be-real-clear-this-message-board-does-not-need-conservatives/947474/539) which really should have known better. Trump, pre-2015, was known to non-New Yorkers as an equal-opportunity asshole. The adjective nearly always applied to him in news stories was “brash.” His sexism was probably as famous as his racism, for most outside that ~300 mile radius. We know he was brought up to be a racist by (at least) his father, and that his core beliefs include his own genetic superiority (\>\>gag\<\<). But the thing about Trump, pre-2015, is that no one thought of him as the _Standard-Bearer_ for America’s white supremacists. They just thought of him as either a jerk they admired, or a jerk they despised. The standard-bearer for America’s white supremacists would have been, back then, maybe David Duke or Richard Spencer or one of a number of ‘famous within the w.s. cult’ names–but it wouldn’t have been Trump. Post June 2015-announcement day, that all changed. Finally, the kitsch artists had someone to paint as their Handsome, Noble Godlike Figure of Worship. (\>\>gag, retch\<\<) (That’s what I was saying in my previous posts, expanded a bit. (I think we’re all on the same page as far as ‘ **Trump was always a racist**.’) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/706 "2022-01-18T01:54:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Trump, pre-2015, was known to non-New Yorkers as an equal-opportunity asshole. The adjective nearly always applied to him in news stories was “brash.” His sexism was probably as famous as his racism, for most outside that ~300 mile radius. I’ll agree that’s a fair characterization, and I appreciate the time you took to make the point crystal clear. I guess what galls me is, Trump seized on the birtherism shit from practically the moment it was advanced by Corsi clear back in 2011. To me, that was just about the most bald racism imaginable. Yet many people in this country just shrugged and said, “Apprentice!” I’ll join you with the gagging and retching. Everything about Trump makes my skin crawl. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/707 "2022-01-18T02:24:42Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I guess what galls me is, Trump seized on the birtherism shit from practically the moment it was advanced by Corsi clear back in 2011. To me, that was just about the most bald racism imaginable. Yet many people in this country just shrugged and said, “Apprentice!” Yes, and it’s interesting to look at contemporary accounts and see how seldom writers identified what Trump was up to as being racist. Birtherism IS racist, of course. Today, fair-minded people see Trump’s birther attacks on Obama as coming from a white-supremacist place of _'no black person can be a legitimate President_,’ which is as racist as it gets. But back in the day Trump seemed to skate by with being considered a sniper or gadfly or sharp-elbowed political commentator or such–you won’t find many 2011+ -era transcripts of CNN or MSNBC reporter-remarks, or mainstream newspaper articles, that called him out. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/708 "2022-01-18T02:35:16Z")
How has he pissed me off today? 1. Still alive? Check. 2. Still spouting divisive garbage? Check. 3. Still out of prison? Check. 4. Still not bankrupted beyond recovery? Check. 5. Still being talked about in the MSM? Check. 6. Still calling the shots for the GOP? Check. Could we at least get a “No” for one of these? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/709 "2022-01-18T03:01:58Z")
Today is the first day that i have tried to read the last 700 posts ( which I had not before ). Today is MLK Day. I place this link here because… well… where else should it be…? ( Bono, you’re the first… even if you think I’m but the worst… ) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LHcP4MWABGY/maxresdefault.jpg "U2 - Pride (In The Name Of Love) (Official Music Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHcP4MWABGY) ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/710 "2022-01-18T03:24:34Z")
The best cat in the world is still dead. Why did that poor sweet cat have to live such a short life while that asshole is still strutting around at his age. Why can’t he just have a stroke or something and die before @Morgyn’s beloved kitty dies as well. Fucking asshole has too much space in my head and I hate him for that too. So anyhow, hubs’ friend got his first jab today because he’s going to move into an assisted living apartment and I scared him into doing it because those sort of places tend to want their residents vaxxed and he needed to do it before all of the vaccinations are reserved for black people. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/711 "2022-01-18T05:31:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > white people who had been freaking out for seven years due to Obama (a BLACK presiden When my mom referred to President Obama as a Black (expletive), I interrupted her to have this fun conversation: Me: Why do you call him Black? Mom: His father’s Black. Me: What about his mother; what color is she? Mom: She’s white. Me: So, why don’t you Obama white? Mom: {Stunned into silence} ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/712 "2022-01-18T10:27:58Z")
That’s interesting and too heavy a thought for this early a.m. All I signed up for was a cup of coffee. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/713 "2022-01-18T11:28:56Z")
From everything I’ve read Furries are pretty liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/714 "2022-01-18T14:24:57Z")
It’s pretty clear to me who the real kingmakers are at this point though. _Trump goes against fox news by promoting the vaccine:_ many of his former supporters turn against him, even some of the CT lunatics now saying that Trump is part of a vaccine CT. _Trump sides with fox by repeating Tucker’s nonsense about how blacks are at the front of the queue for covid therapeutics:_ crowd cheers like it’s the Drain the Swamp all over again. FOX has gone from adapting to Trump, to embedding themselves in his government to dictating republicans’ positions. Interesting though that they didn’t broadcast Trump’s rally – I think they are not sure yet who will get their support. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/715 "2022-01-18T16:29:46Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > To be fair, we did get vaccines pretty quickly and Trump had a hand in that. Although also to be fair, it was the obvious thing to do and any other office holder would have done the same thing. The best that can be said for Trump is that he didn’t actively sabotage or screw up the development of the vaccine, which for him is high praise. I’m a bit surprised for example that he didn’t direct all of the funds for vaccine research to one of his cronies. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/716 "2022-01-18T16:35:09Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > any other office holder would have done the same thing. Virtually any other office holder would not have dismantled the early warning system that Obama had established and would have been better prepared for an impending pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/717 "2022-01-18T21:19:05Z")
Yes, it’s an extremely low bar. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/718 "2022-01-19T01:56:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > white people who had been freaking out for seven years due to Obama (a BLACK presiden > > When my mom referred to President Obama as a Black (expletive), I interrupted her to have this fun conversation: > > Me: Why do you call him Black? > Mom: His father’s Black. > Me: What about his mother; what color is she? > Mom: She’s white. > Me: So, why don’t you Obama white? > Mom: {Stunned into silence} It’s an old mindset. In the American South I think they called it the ‘one drop rule’—if you have one drop of African blood, you’re black. Of course we all have African blood (given that that’s where humans evolved), but that’s not a viewpoint likely to be taken up by racists. Sorry to hear about your mom. I guess a lot of us have moms (and dads and others) who reason things out that same way. 😧 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/719 "2022-01-19T02:14:33Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s an old mindset. In the American South I think they called it the ‘one drop rule’—if you have one drop of African blood, you’re black. To play Devil’s Advocate, Obama’s admirers also played up his African American heritage, as an example of the diversity he represented, the breaking of color barriers at the top of the political heap, and how he overcame diversity to get there. The fact that his mom was White was not frequently mentioned by those who lauded him either. It goes both ways. And yeah, I always thought it was a bit weird. I was a lot more conservative back then and never voted for him, but even I thought it was cool that we could elect someone who wasn’t your stereotypical White candidate. But everyone (left and right) were pretending as if he wasn’t White at all, when he was just as White as he was Black. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/720 "2022-01-19T03:14:05Z")
Yeah. I grew up in Dixie, so I’m well aware of the “one drop” rule and the racist nonsense (“The robin doesn’t mate with the blue jay”), not to mention the local love of the extra-biblical interpretation of “the curse of Ham”. Mom died in 2017 and Dad in 2018. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=37)