# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/841 "2022-02-07T22:41:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > So it should be prescribed that destroying records is proscribed?   It is, but unfortunately the prescribed punishment for the proscribed behavior remains ambiguous (at best). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/842 "2022-02-08T01:07:57Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@silenus](#): > > > > So what, exactly, is the proscribed punishment for destroying public records? > > From the _Daily Kos_ article cited upthread: > > > “It is against the law, but the problem is that the Presidential Records Act, as written, does not have any real enforcement mechanism,” noted James Grossman, executive director of the American Historical Association. “It’s that sort of thing where there’s a law, but who has the authority to enforce the law, and the existing law is toothless.” > > Add this to the list of norms and violations that used to be followed out of respect for the institution of the presidency but henceforth need to be codified with clear enforcement mechanisms. … Trump-proofing the USA is going to require a huge number of new laws. Not only will we need to add actual consequences for doing things like destroying records and profiting from your businesses (e.g. charging the Secret Service for staying at your hotel while protecting you) and using your office to promote candidates (the Hatch Act), we also need to put in writing that a Vice President doesn’t have the prerogative of overturning the votes of the entire nation and declaring as winner whomever he or she prefers. No one could have predicted this even a mere thirty years ago. No one could have predicted the confluence of right-wing media, the existence of an all-pervasive means of personal communication (the Internet), and a culture that valued ‘being entertaining’ far above old-fashioned traits like being a minimally-decent human being. > eta: 30 instead of 20 as in 2002 we pretty much knew the Internet would be huge ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/843 "2022-02-08T01:59:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Trump-proofing the USA is going to require a huge number of new laws. I don’t know if it will take a lot of new laws – a non-insane Congress could pass one that codified pretty much everything. But that would require both parties to have a sense of shame and propriety, and only one of them does. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/844 "2022-02-08T02:52:44Z")
The last I checked he’s still breathing. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/845 "2022-02-08T12:12:17Z")
As I was posting, I had a niggling thought that I should check if it was against the rules. Apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/846 "2022-02-08T13:52:13Z")
It’s been revealed that the National Archives has obtained several boxes of presidential records that were being stored at Mar-a-Lago improperly. This may, of course [violate the Presidential Records Act](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078940308/trump-boxes-records-mar-a-lago-national-archives). ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/847 "2022-02-08T14:10:25Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > It’s been revealed that the National Archives has obtained several boxes of presidential records that were being stored at Mar-a-Lago improperly. Probably love letters from Kim Jong-un. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/848 "2022-02-08T14:25:22Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > This may, of course [violate the Presidential Records Act](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078940308/trump-boxes-records-mar-a-lago-national-archives). ![](https://c.tenor.com/ry_sCXk6wH0AAAAC/pirates-caribbean-code.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/849 "2022-02-08T14:25:34Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > This may, of course [violate the Presidential Records Act](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/07/1078940308/trump-boxes-records-mar-a-lago-national-archives). For which the penalty, apparently, is _Fuck you I was the president_. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/850 "2022-02-08T14:26:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@Superdude](#): > > > > It’s been revealed that the National Archives has obtained several boxes of presidential records that were being stored at Mar-a-Lago improperly. > > Probably love letters from Kim Jong-un. - Those would be stored properly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/851 "2022-02-08T14:31:04Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Those would be stored properly. In a shoe box decorated in glitter paper and covered with Valentine’s Day stickers. He keeps it under his bed and pulls it out to read some on days when the liberal media are extra mean to him. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/852 "2022-02-08T14:47:02Z")
I can imagine the staffers talking to themselves. “Donnie’s cranky and won’t take his nap”. “Just give him some papers to tear up until he wears himself out.” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/853 "2022-02-08T14:50:34Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@Superdude](#): > > > > It’s been revealed that the National Archives has obtained several boxes of presidential records that were being stored at Mar-a-Lago improperly. > > Probably love letters from Kim Jong-un. That’s actually true, those were among the items recovered. Some of them were probably gunky, I hope the archivist wears gloves. > **[National Archives reportedly retrieves Kim Jong Un's 'love letters' to Trump...](https://news.yahoo.com/national-archives-retrieve-boxes-mar-a-lago-trump-love-letters-kim-jon-un-150115838.html?ncid=twitter_yahoonewst_sjwumo1bpf4)** > > According to the Washington Post, the boxes included Trump’s correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as well as the letter former President Barack Obama left for him before leaving office. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/854 "2022-02-08T15:00:21Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > [@enipla](#): > > > > > [@Superdude](#): > > > > > > It’s been revealed that the National Archives has obtained several boxes of presidential records that were being stored at Mar-a-Lago improperly. > > > > Probably love letters from Kim Jong-un. > > That’s actually true, those were among the items recovered. Some of them were probably gunky, I hope the archivist wears gloves. - > > [National Archives reportedly retrieves Kim Jong Un's 'love letters' to Trump from Mar-a-Lago](https://news.yahoo.com/national-archives-retrieve-boxes-mar-a-lago-trump-love-letters-kim-jon-un-150115838.html?ncid=twitter_yahoonewst_sjwumo1bpf4) I don’t want to know what Obama’s letter was covered with. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/855 "2022-02-08T15:03:50Z")
Melania’s love juices, probably. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/856 "2022-02-08T15:10:12Z")
Ewwww! Ew ew ew. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/857 "2022-02-08T15:12:56Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Melania’s love juices, probably. - Judging by her perpetually sour face, not likely. Gotta wonder how many times Donald’s hands got slapped away that we _didn’t_ see. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/858 "2022-02-08T15:14:37Z")
I bet if she was married to Obama she’d be smiling…… just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/859 "2022-02-08T15:41:52Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Melania’s love juices, probably. Nah. Their Michelle’s, but Melania is taking the credit. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/860 "2022-02-08T17:49:39Z")
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