# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1561 "2022-07-15T22:57:04Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I thought it was one of his SuperPacs doing this? How is that better? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1562 "2022-07-15T23:07:04Z")
It’s not. Just laying blame where it belongs. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1563 "2022-07-15T23:08:11Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > How is that better? Because the false narrative is that Trump is putting out a message that amounts to, “I am very sad about the death of my ex-wife, please send me money.” Which is wrong. Lies that Trump spreads are bad, and lies about Trump are bad, because lies are bad. Most likely the SuperPAC, which exists to raise money for Donald Trump, has a standard footer in all communications with a link that accepts donations for Trump. Here is an image of what went out: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXp0lnVUUAIKzIZ?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXp0lnVUUAIKzIZ?format=jpg&name=large) The “statement” was a message Trump sent out on his Truth Social platform. The SuperPAC was resending that message. Imagine a scenario where Jeff Bezos lost a loved one, and wrote a message eulogizing the person. Then Amazon re-sent that out, and the message they sent had a link to [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) on it. People could claim that Jeff Bezos was using the loss to try to get people to go to Amazon to buy things. It would be similarly false. Trump does plenty of awful, horrendous shit, we don’t need to make up things he actually didn’t do to criticize him. If you want to criticize anyone, blame someone at the SuperPAC who was stupid enough to not realize what the optics would look like. (Because yes, it doesn’t look good on first glance admittedly.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1564 "2022-07-15T23:11:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The “statement” was a message Trump sent out on his Truth Social platform. The SuperPAC was resending that message. > > Imagine a scenario where Jeff Bezos lost a loved one, and wrote a message eulogizing the person. Then Amazon re-sent that out, and the message they sent had a link to [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) on it. People could claim that Jeff Bezos was using the loss to try to get people to go to Amazon to buy things. It would be similarly false. > > Trump does plenty of awful, horrendous shit, we don’t need to make up things he actually didn’t do to criticize him. If you want to criticize anyone, blame someone at the SuperPAC who was stupid enough to not realize what the optics would look like. (Because yes, it doesn’t look good on first glance admittedly.) - If the Bezos hypothetical happened, it would be fully reasonable to blame Bezos. It’s his company. He is responsible for what it sends out. Trump is responsible for what his SuperPAC sends out. Has he issued a message saying that someone at the SuperPac or someone at Truth Social has been fired (or disciplined in some way) for letting a fundraising link appear in the statement announcing the death of Ivana? No? Trump is responsible for the link being part of the announcement. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1565 "2022-07-15T23:36:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Trump is responsible for what his SuperPAC sends out. Sure, but not in the way that people are claiming. And by people, I mean Andrea Mitchell and Ron Filipkowski. > **[Did Trump Fundraise in Email About Death of Ex-Wife Ivana?](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/07/14/ivana-trump-email-donate/)** > > NBC News journalist Andrea Mitchell tweeted that an email statement from the former president about the death of his ex-wife Ivana was being used for fundraising. I’ve said before that I don’t buy into tribalism. We have a whole [thread about it](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122) here in the Pit. It’s not okay when the left does this too. Trump is responsible in the sense that he has some nitwits making bad decisions at his SuperPAC, one he set up and gave his name to. Is he **personally** responsible? Do you have any evidence he directed this to be sent out by them, and ask them to make sure the fundraising link was included? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1566 "2022-07-16T03:31:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’ve said before that I don’t buy into tribalism. And that is why tribalism is being won by evil forces. It’s an asymmetrical battle between one side that is all in, and the other which is not. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1567 "2022-07-16T06:27:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Trump is responsible in the sense that he has some nitwits making bad decisions at his SuperPAC, one he set up and gave his name to. Is he **personally** responsible? Do you have any evidence he directed this to be sent out by them, and ask them to make sure the fundraising link was included? Nope. Nor do I have any evidence that he immediately fired them for embarrassing him with their greedy incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1568 "2022-07-16T06:46:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And that is why tribalism is being won by evil forces. It’s an asymmetrical battle between one side that is all in, and the other which is not. Being “all in” is what makes them evil in the first place. It means doing anything to win. But evil **doesn’t** always win. And you don’t fight evil by being evil. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1569 "2022-07-16T16:21:16Z")
Not that any confusion about fundraising makes [this picture](https://imgur.com/a/fy7eHyA) any less tasteless. Or funny. Note: I didn’t create this, nor am I wishing any specific harm to the man-child. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1570 "2022-07-16T16:43:29Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Nope. Nor do I have any evidence that he immediately fired them for embarrassing him with their greedy incompetence. Nor do I have any evidence that she was pushed down those steps, even though it was a very convenient excuse not to have to attend a deposition the next day. Even though that same day, Rump was ‘so broken up’ he attended a rally in AZ. Please Note: Ivana is Not being buried, cremated, scattered at sea or shot into space from AZ. “The coroners report says she died from hitting the floor at the bottom of those steps.” “Did it say anything about what happened at the top of those steps?” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1571 "2022-07-16T16:45:45Z")
“He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1572 "2022-07-16T17:12:50Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Not that any confusion about fundraising makes [this picture](https://imgur.com/a/fy7eHyA) any less tasteless. Or funny. Agreed! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1573 "2022-07-17T00:07:59Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > Trump is responsible in the sense that he has some nitwits making bad decisions at his SuperPAC, one he set up and gave his name to. Is he **personally** responsible? Do you have any evidence he directed this to be sent out by them, and ask them to make sure the fundraising link was included? > > Nope. Nor do I have any evidence that he immediately fired them for embarrassing him with their greedy incompetence. ^ This. Trump is personally responsible not only because the business entities involved (the SuperPac and Truth Social) are under his control, but also because he issued no statement along the lines of ‘I am appalled that a fundraising link appeared in the announcement of the death of my ex-wife; this should not have happened, and those responsible no longer have their jobs.’ He didn’t do that. He stands by the fundraising link in the death announcement (and will keep any money it raises). He is personally responsible–and that is nothing whatsoever to do with “tribalism.” It is fully about the character of Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1574 "2022-07-17T00:14:44Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > He didn’t do that. He stands by the fundraising link in the death announcement (and will keep any money it raises). He is personally responsible–and that is nothing whatsoever to do with “tribalism.” It is fully about the character of Donald Trump. Yes, he is personally responsible for **that**. It’s reprehensible (but not surprising) that he hasn’t clarified or apologized or repudiated them. He’s not responsible for the message in the first place. But he’s certainly responsible for not reacting to it. I’m always up for bashing the orange slug, as long as the criticism is based on facts. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1575 "2022-07-17T20:24:13Z")
> **[Through all Trump's legal wars and woes, one lawyer's influence still holds sway](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/17/1111715068/in-all-trump-s-legal-wars-and-woes-one-lawyer-s-influence-still-holds-sway)** > > Roy Cohn always told clients to fight all charges, countersue when sued and never concede. Trump has followed his formula for half a century, and it has come to matter a great deal to the nation. “Fight all charges, countersue, and never concede.” Yup. This article is pretty nauseating. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1576 "2022-07-17T20:29:06Z")
Birds of a feather…. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1577 "2022-07-17T20:34:47Z")
Roy Cohn. Roy fucking Cohn. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1578 "2022-07-17T21:06:32Z")
Even from beyond the grave, he afflicts the republic still. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1579 "2022-07-19T17:27:41Z")
[LIV Golf: Donald Trump tells golfers to join controversial tour and ‘take the money now’ - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/sport/donald-trump-liv-golf-saudi-arabia-spt-intl/index.html) > “All of those golfers that remain ‘loyal’ to the very disloyal PGA, in all of its different forms, will pay a big price when the inevitable MERGER with LIV comes, and you get nothing but a big ‘thank you’ from PGA officials who are making Millions of Dollars a year,” Trump wrote on Truth Social Monday. > > “If you don’t take the money now, you will get nothing after the merger takes place, and only say how smart the original signees were.” > > His comments come as families of 9/11 victims urged him to cancel the tournament, citing LIV Golf’s Saudi backing, according to a letter sent to Trump Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1580 "2022-07-19T20:07:13Z")
Unfortunately? No lies detected there. I don’t think the PGA Tour and LIV Golf will exist at the same time for very long. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=80)