# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1821 "2022-08-10T16:50:09Z")
Why, even the judges that _Trump himself_ put on the bench are in on the conspiracy! I guess Trump will be blaming The Lizard People next. ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1822 "2022-08-10T16:59:22Z")
Trump’s supporters were ecstatic to hear that he took the fifth today. Guilty people always take the 5th, which Donald said previously. I guess he doesn’t always lie. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1823 "2022-08-10T16:59:52Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Why, even the judges that _Trump himself_ put on the bench are in on the conspiracy! And if Himself put them on the bench, then He must be the ringleader! It’s all a conspiracy to make Himself out as the victim, so that He can get the rubes to send Him money! > [@dolphinboy](#): > > Guilty people always take the 5th, which Donald said previously. But look at what he says now (my previous post). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1824 "2022-08-10T17:05:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > But look at what he says now (my previous post). And whatever Trump says tomorrow will be the truth then. _“Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.”_ _“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1825 "2022-08-10T17:06:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > However, a defendants refusal to testify CAN be used against them in a civil case, unlike in a criminal case, where it cannot. This is true. > **[Taking the Fifth in a Civil Context](https://www.lanepowell.com/Our-Insights/221205/Taking-the-Fifth-in-a-Civil-Context)** > > In civil disputes — including bankruptcy litigation — it is not uncommon for questions to arise about a client’s potential exposure to criminal liability, whether the client is a party or a witness. Civil litigators must therefore understand the role... > In the criminal context, no adverse inference is permitted from a witness’s refusal to testify based on the Fifth Amendment. In federal civil litigation, however, an adverse inference may be “drawn when independent evidence exists of the fact to which the party refuses to answer” — meaning that “an adverse inference can be drawn when silence is countered by independent evidence of the fact being questioned, but that same inference cannot be drawn when, for example, silence is the answer to an allegation contained in a complaint.” _Doe ex rel. Rudy-Glanzer v. Glanzer_ , 232 F.3d 1258, 1264 (9th Cir. 2000) ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1826 "2022-08-10T17:06:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I didn’t think you could take the Fifth in civil actions? Or is this a criminal case? I’m confused. There’s also this: > **[Trump says he took the Fifth in New York civil investigation](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ny-investigation-testimony-a4e6264d44b194d24dfb916ffc7f51ca)** > > Former President Donald Trump will be questioned under oath Wednesday in the New York attorney general’s long-running civil investigation. Follow AP's live coverage. > As vociferous as Trump has been in defending himself in written statements and on the rally stage, legal experts said answering questions in a deposition was risky because anything he said could potentially be used against him in a parallel criminal investigation by the Manhattan district attorney. The Fifth Amendment protects people from being compelled to be a witness against themselves in a criminal case. So even though this deposition was on a civil matter, anything he said there could be used in the criminal case. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1827 "2022-08-10T17:07:07Z")
“Up until I was asked under oath about the criminal activities of me and my cronies, I hadn’t realized why people took the 5th amendment.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1828 "2022-08-10T17:09:35Z")
I think Trump himself hit the nail on the head: > “You see the mob takes the Fifth,” he said. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” Now he knows. If you’re a mob boss, if you are NOT innocent, then you take the Fifth, like he did today. If he had answered questions, it would have revealed his criminal activity. NOW he gets it! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1829 "2022-08-10T17:16:49Z")
The judge who was appointed by Individual 1. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1830 "2022-08-10T19:38:41Z")
Clearly he didn’t remember his New Trump Judge Indoctrination Point #1: “Always rule in favor of the President who appointed you, even when he isn’t President anymore.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1831 "2022-08-10T20:56:37Z")
They’re ecstatic that he took the fifth, because that’s what the Mob does. The MAGA cult wants the Tangerine Don to act tough, like a Mob boss. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1832 "2022-08-10T21:00:17Z")
I’m sure his lawyers calulated that what ever blowback may come from taking the Fifth is preferable to letting him testify and exposing him to perjury charges. He is incapable of telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1833 "2022-08-10T21:30:14Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > “Up until I was asked under oath about the criminal activities of me and my cronies, I hadn’t realized why people took the 5th amendment.” Of course, Trump supporters then voted for a criminal ignorant git that finally learned that lesson when he is in his 70’s. … and want to vote for him again… 🤦‍♂️ 🤦🏼‍♂️ 🤦🏽‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1834 "2022-08-10T21:33:17Z")
I’m truly shocked. I’ve always known he had the _right_ to remain silent. I just didn’t think he had the _ability_. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1835 "2022-08-10T21:36:42Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/D4XQ313cMFg/maxresdefault.jpg "Mass Effect: Anoleis & Parisini on Noveria") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4XQ313cMFg) “You have the right to remain silent. I wish to God you’d _exercise_ it.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1836 "2022-08-10T21:55:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Now he knows. If you’re a mob boss, if you are NOT innocent, then you take the Fifth, like he did today. If he had answered questions, it would have revealed his criminal activity So…he has very tiny rocks in his head? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1837 "2022-08-11T03:11:45Z")
Individual 1 is claiming that the FBI planted evidence. That must mean there’s something actually there. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1838 "2022-08-11T13:18:13Z")
He wasn’t there. How does he know what happened? Silly question! He “knows”. People said sir, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Geez. The sooner he’s in prison, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1839 "2022-08-11T13:59:17Z")
That’s been true for at least six years already. I’m getting a wee bit impatient. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1840 "2022-08-11T17:20:51Z")
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