# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 15, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178 "2021-05-15T18:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1901 "2022-08-16T15:50:08Z")
I dunno. “What can I do to reduce the heat?” is just… weird. It almost seems like an offer to cooperate (not that I would ever take such a remark from Trump at face value). Wouldn’t “What can _you_ do to reduce the heat?” make more sense, and be more threatening? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1902 "2022-08-16T15:56:48Z")
> [@xizor](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > I demand you give the documents that I didn’t have back to me! By this TRUTH, I command you! > > Maybe he could try “sudo return documents”\* > > \*(Linux joke for those not versed in such things) - I always knew Linux was a sudo OS. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1903 "2022-08-16T16:22:12Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I dunno. “What can I do to reduce the heat?” is just… weird. It almost seems like an offer to cooperate (not that I would ever take such a remark from Trump at face value). Wouldn’t “What can _you_ do to reduce the heat?” make more sense, and be more threatening? Yeah, I don’t really see it as a threat. Just stupid and poorly worded. So it did come from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1904 "2022-08-16T16:29:42Z")
I think it’s the opener in a negotiation. “I could do that… but what could you do for me to make that happen?” Kinda like “I would like you to do us a favor though…” as a point of reference. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1905 "2022-08-16T16:41:25Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > I think it’s the opener in a negotiation. Huh. Yeah, I suppose so. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1906 "2022-08-16T18:15:07Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > “What can I do to reduce the heat?” is just… weird. It almost seems like an offer to cooperate That’s how I read it - Trump attempting to sound reasonable (I assume someone is forcing him). I would if Garland came back with “A confession and guilty plea would working wonders!”? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1907 "2022-08-16T18:37:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@SunUp](#): > > > > I think it’s the opener in a negotiation. > > Huh. Yeah, I suppose so. Problem is, when you negotiate with Trump there’s only one possible outcome (from his POV): he gets everything, you get nothing. I trust Garland not to fall into that trap. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1908 "2022-08-16T19:18:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I always knew Linux was a sudo OS. Not to derail too much, but technically “sudo” is short for “super user do”, as in “I am doing this as a super user so just do it you stupid computer and don’t sass me”. So I believe the official pronunciation is “soo-doo”. But I pronounce it just like “pseudo”, as I expect most people do, and I appreciate your jab, well done. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1909 "2022-08-16T19:30:20Z")
Trump is going to make Garland an offer he can’t refuse?? ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1910 "2022-08-16T20:18:33Z")
Yes, I should have called it “the opener in an offer of negotiations.” Garland doesn’t have to negotiate anything if he’s got the goods. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1911 "2022-08-16T20:23:04Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > Garland doesn’t have to negotiate anything if he’s got the goods. This, exactly. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1912 "2022-08-16T21:29:28Z")
Like Mark Twain’s immortal, _It is wonderful to observe the calm confidence of a Christian with four aces._ ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1913 "2022-08-16T22:00:07Z")
Heh. I should note, though, that I think Donald Trump thinks he’s the one holding an ace in the hole. Ever since his entry into the 2016 presidential race, Trump has talked about how he has support of the violence-prone element of society - whether the police, “Bikers for Trump”, the Proud Boys, whoever - and he expects his followers to do his bidding if he calls for violence. Hence January 6. But I don’t think he wants to try to actually _use_ this in the way that he did on the 6th - too much risk and faces the possibility of a backlash. So he’d rather allude to the possibility of political violence than come out and threaten it, in hopes of intimidating people with poor resolve or wanting to avoid such an outcome. I don’t think he’s taken the measure of Merrick Garland if he thinks that will work. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1914 "2022-08-16T22:06:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Trump is going to make Garland an offer he can’t refuse?? More like, Trump is going to make Garland an offer he can’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1915 "2022-08-16T22:13:02Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > What documents? > We gave you all the documents back in Jan. > We gave you all the documents back in Jun. > How dare you come and get the documents we don’t have in Aug. > Those documents are declassified. Yes, those, the ones we didn’t have. Also all the documents the FBI planted; those are declassified too [whatever is in them]. > > Hilary, emails, Benghazi, Soros, BLM, Antifi, CRT, Obama The newest one: It’s all Mark Meadows’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1916 "2022-08-16T22:41:21Z")
I think Giuliani is next under the bus. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1917 "2022-08-17T00:46:26Z")
_From [Yahoo! news](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-attacks-doj-florida-judge-091952719.html)._ So, Tan the Conman “warns” that “terrible things will happen” if people do not calm down. He then immediately riles them up by attacking the Department of Justice and a Florida judge. How is this not incitement to violence? Why hasn’t be been arrested for it; at long last, why hasn’t be been arrested for it? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1918 "2022-08-17T00:52:04Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How is this not incitement to violence? Why hasn’t be been arrested for it; at long last, why hasn’t be been arrested for it? See _[Hess v. Indiana](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hess_v._Indiana)_. The incitement has to be “more than advocacy of illegal action at some indefinite future time”. That’s why January 6 was such a big deal; Trump had a mob in front of him, many of whom he knew were armed, said they had to go to this specific place to make war against specific targets, and gave them a timetable. What you’re asking about in this most recent case is far too ambiguous to be considered incitement to violence from a legal perspective. It is protected by the First Amendment. (IANAL but the precedent seems pretty clear to me.) ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1919 "2022-08-17T00:55:58Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > Garland doesn’t have to negotiate anything if he’s got the goods. This ties in with a less-than-half-baked (since I have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes) theory I have to explain CFSGs’ floundering during the last ten days or so: that the lack of bluster and obvious partisanship at DOJ has led him to believe that Garland is “weak” and afraid to confront His Orangeness. Thus the search warrant caught him completely off guard and gobsmacked; in addition, if he knows anything at all about the documents, he must know that Garland does indeed “have the goods” on him and he has few or no avenues out of the mess. Hence the thrashing about with pronouncements that range from the ridiculous (“The documents were planted [but I want them back]”) to the asinine (“Everything I took out of the Oval Office was automatically declassified [including documents that shouldn’t have been there in the first place]”). I doubt it’s deliberate, but Garland seems to be pulling a pretty good [rope-a-dope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope) on Trump. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178/1920 "2022-08-18T11:32:37Z")
> [@](#): > > # [Now for the ‘Probable Reason’ those Docs were Adamantly held at Mar-a-Lago](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/8/17/2117317/-Now-for-the-Probable-Reason-those-Docs-were-Adamantly-held-at-Mar-a-Lago) > > from Newsweeek dot com > > Donald Trump’s former personal attorney **[Michael Cohen](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/michael-cohen) believes** that the former president’s alleged possession of “sensitive” classified documents at Mar-a-Lago was kept deliberately as a “ **get out of jail free** ” **card** should he be arrested for potential felonies. > > […] > > “_The second they would put him in handcuffs, he would turn around and say_ **I have the documentation** showing, for example, _where our nuclear launch pads are_,” Cohen told [CNN](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/cnn). “This is what I believe: He would use it and say, if you proceed with this, I’m telling you right now there are 20 of my loyal supporters, you don’t know who they are, _ **but we will release that information** to Russia, to Iran, to whoever it might be_.” > > Cohen added that Trump would carry out this plan because _he “doesn’t care about this country.”_ > **[Now for the 'Probable Reason' those Docs were Adamantly held at Mar-a-Lago](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/8/17/2117317/-Now-for-the-Probable-Reason-those-Docs-were-Adamantly-held-at-Mar-a-Lago?utm_campaign=trending)** > > — — Form the guy who probably knows the mind of Donald Trump better than almost anyone else — another insight, into the reason why Donald would have held onto all those Classified Documents. Documents that he was told repeatedly he had to return,... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-1/942178.md?page=97)