# How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former but once again President Trump pissed you off today? (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [February 6, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964 "2025-02-06T18:32:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/168 "2025-03-01T22:54:07Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Am I the only person who sees shouting at someone as a trait of a weak person? No. (The Internet is full of people, today, who didn’t think they could despise Trump any more than they did already—but found out they could.) I’m nearly as angry at news media that are acting as PR agencies for the Trump/Vance romancing of Putin. Describing the Oval Office ambush as a “shouting match” when it was Donald and Vance ganging up on Zelenskyy, and saying ‘Zelenskyy behaved badly’ or that Zelenskyy could have had a great peace deal if only he’d controlled himself!!!—that’s from CNN and MSNBC. (I’m sure FoxNews is saying nothing else.) The obvious fact is that Trump/Musk/Vance planned to cut off Ukraine aid weeks if not months ago. NOTHING that happened in the Oval Office yesterday had anything to do with that decision. Pretending that Zelenskyy ‘brought it on himself’ is rank, stinking Russian propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/169 "2025-03-01T22:59:20Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I think actually killing people would change the calculus of reactions enough that I’m not sure that what happens after would be that easy to predict. That seems fair. There IS the precedent of Kent State. Of course that was in the pre-Internet age, which might make a difference—but back then there was almost universal shock that US military (National Guard) had fired on, and killed, unarmed protesters. Many believe that shortened our involvement in the Vietnam war. Public opinion turned and staying in wasn’t politically feasible any longer. > [@iamatractorboy](#): > > I’m not a violent man and I’ve never hit anyone in my life, but having read about this disgrace, part of me wishes VZ had just thought ‘fuck it’ and slugged the pair of them. Apparently others have had the same thought. I saw two short videos today that were SCARILY real-looking. (Okay, Discourse won’t link the videos directly. They’re between 3-5 seconds each.) > **[Tim Hayes™🍁🇨🇦 (@timomajere.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/timomajere.bsky.social/post/3ljdvevcqjc2n)** > > You have to see this. > It was made on X > **[Hoodlum 🇺🇸 (@nothoodlum.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/nothoodlum.bsky.social/post/3ljdnyyh7cs2u)** > > I wish this happened. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/170 "2025-03-01T23:01:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Well yeah, Trump. And can you picture him trying to win a one on one debate calmly using logic, reason and facts. He can barely (if that) speak English. Those three are foreign languages to him. > [@smithsb](#): > > Can we add, “Surrender Monkey” to the thread title? Change it to _felon47_. BTW, thanks to those who have also used that term. Unless my searching is wonky, evidently I started that moniker for that criminal on this site. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/171 "2025-03-01T23:09:07Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The obvious fact is that Trump/Musk/Vance planned to cut off Ukraine aid weeks if not months ago. NOTHING that happened in the Oval Office yesterday had anything to do with that decision. Pretending that Zelenskyy ‘brought it on himself’ is rank, stinking Russian propaganda. As a comedian, Zelenskyy was in show business. He knows how things work. He’s a smart guy. I can’t believe he unknowingly walked into a trap He could surely see that Trump and Vance thought they were very, very clever, and were laughing up their sleeves at the kabuki performance they were about to put on. I wonder if he _knowingly_ walked into the trap so that he could turn world opinion even more strongly agains the petulant toddler. The reviews from other countries that I’ve read of Trump’s skit have been universally negative ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/172 "2025-03-01T23:09:26Z")
LOL!!! Oh, those are priceless videos. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/173 "2025-03-01T23:16:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > As a comedian, Zelenskyy was in show business. He knows how things work. He’s a smart guy. I can’t believe he unknowingly walked into a trap He could surely see that Trump and Vance thought they were very, very clever, and were laughing up their sleeves at the kabuki performance they were about to put on. I wonder if he _knowingly_ walked into the trap so that he could turn world opinion even more strongly agains the petulant toddler. That’s possible. He’d have known that ANYTHING that happened in the meeting would have been cited by the Mango Malignity as “reason” to cut off aid to Ukraine. If he’d worn a business suit, they’d have said they had to COATU\* because he was clearly not serious about being at war. If he’d sat quietly and just nodded at every lie they spouted, they’d have said they had to COATU because he wasn’t engaged. If he’d done a real acting job and conversed as though they were saying sensible things, they’d have said they had to COATU because he wasn’t saying the same things he’d said in the past. There was NOTHING he could have said or done that would have resulted in their saying Yes, we will continue aid to Ukraine. Therefore he behaved like an emotionally-healthy, serious-minded head of state confronting unreasonable thugs. And the world is rallying to him (except the Axis of Evil, of course. Bigger by one whole country, now!!11!!!) . . \*COATU = cut off aid to Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/174 "2025-03-01T23:19:17Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > LOL!!! Oh, those are priceless videos. 😃 Yes, emotionally satisfying short bits of what-would-be-justice. (Isn’t it scary how convincing they are, though? In line with my earlier thoughts about blaming a false-flag attack on Zelenskyy—it would be trivially easy, apparently, to come up with “proof” of him plotting to do violence against the USA.) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/175 "2025-03-02T01:13:29Z")
Love the videos, but yes, scary — we just entered a new era, for sure. (With the recent death of JFK’s secret service agent, I read about the 1992 Clint Eastwood/John Malkovich film “In the Line of Fire.” The producers paid over a million dollars to use early CGI to create a few seconds of the Eastwood character, as a younger man, within a film with JFK - and also in then-new footage of Clinton and Bush in campaign events. Starting right about now, any one of us could do it for free, and fast.) /hijack ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/176 "2025-03-02T08:00:01Z")
It’s The Onion, America’s Finest New Source: but not really satire, it’s on point. [![](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/91883246-8053-4732-b96d-4b77dfe89646) ](https://images.spot.im/image/upload/v200/91883246-8053-4732-b96d-4b77dfe89646) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/177 "2025-03-02T11:04:02Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Telling Trump to Fuck Off is one thing. Assassination is a completely different category of rebuke. > > As much as I want Trump gone, I don’t wish that on Zelensky. That might make support from the rest of Europe harder to justify. Also, Vance would nuke Kiev. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/178 "2025-03-02T14:18:57Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > And I see the Orange Felon wants to pardon Pete Rose. Another example of his professional courtesy. One cheater, conman, liar to another. > > Orange Idiot doesn’t know, realise, understand the Rose hasn’t been convicted of a crime - so Pardon??? I guess he’ll strongarm Major League Baseball to rescind its ban on Pete from the hall of Fame… Actually, this made me wonder when Trump will pardon Alphonse Capone: > [Tax evasion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose) > > On April 20, 1990, Rose entered a plea of guilty to two charges of filing false [income tax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax) returns not showing income he received from selling [autographs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autograph) and memorabilia and from horseracing winnings. On July 19, he was sentenced to five months in the [minimum security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_security) prison camp at the [United States Penitentiary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Penitentiary,_Marion) in [Marion, Illinois](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion,_Illinois), and fined $50,000.[[70]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose#cite_note-EnquirerTimeline-70) Rose was released on January 7, 1991, after having paid $366,041 in back taxes and interest and was required to perform 1,000 hours of [community service](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_service).[[71]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose#cite_note-ESPN_PrisonRelease-71)[[72]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose#cite_note-72) Scarface and Charlie Hustle–both treated so unfairly. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/179 "2025-03-02T15:01:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Am I the only person who sees shouting at someone as a trait of a weak person? It certainly wasn’t very diplomatic or respectful to interrupt and talk all over Zelenskyy, and berate him like a schoolchild. Then accuse Zelenskyy of litigating it in the press, when they brought up the topic. It was Vance who brought up negotiation with Putin. It was also very disrespectful for Vance to jump in like that. What a baby. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > He is, in short, a narcissist, a serial lawbreaker, a man who mistreats women, and an inveterate con man – no more, no less. Fabulous list. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Describing the Oval Office ambush as a “shouting match” when it was Donald and Vance ganging up on Zelenskyy, It was a “shouting match”, if you mean two people on one side shouting at one guy on the other side. Trump and Vance matched each other in shouting. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/180 "2025-03-02T16:28:54Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > and an inveterate con man – no more, no less. But you got to admit, he’s the world’s greatest con man having persuaded people to vote him into leading one of the world’s leading powers _twice_. Yes, the ~~Republican~~ Remora Party did help him a bit with voter registration finagling, mail-in denying, and poll-closures but I honestly think he would have won without it. A majority of the marks still don’t realize that envelope he’d handed them has nothing but newspaper in it. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/181 "2025-03-02T17:41:41Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Yes, the ~~Republican~~ Remora Party did help him a bit with voter registration finagling, mail-in denying, and poll-closures but I honestly think he would have won without it. Palast, FWIW, disagrees, and as irritating as I find him, I suspect he is close to the mark. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/182 "2025-03-02T22:30:57Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > It was a “shouting match”, if you mean two people on one side shouting at one guy on the other side. Trump and Vance matched each other in shouting. Sure. But of course the news organizations using “shouting match” and similar phrases to describe the encounter, are intentionally implying it was a True _Both Sides Did It_ situation. And it just wasn’t. It was an ambush. It was planned. Cutting off aid to Ukraine had been decided long before Z arrived at the White House. I feel safe in guessing that the Putin/Trump/Vance hope was a huge outpouring of contempt for Zelenskyy, which would have led to him being forced (by that overwhelming weight of public opinion) to resign the Presidency. Then a nice compliant Putin puppet could be installed, and all would proceed according to plan. I’m guessing, again, that though the MAGA cult is obediently denouncing Zelenskyy, there is MUCH stronger sentiment on Z’s side, with plenty of contempt for Donald and JD. So that particular plan may have misfired. Here’s a sample of that reaction: [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cixqk7l3ujli3whzelmkq2rn/bafkreihv4i3bsibi65pmfj2g567wxmdxbpwnluif5yvewnbp22uebnoyym@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cixqk7l3ujli3whzelmkq2rn/bafkreihv4i3bsibi65pmfj2g567wxmdxbpwnluif5yvewnbp22uebnoyym@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/183 "2025-03-03T03:20:19Z")
Good cartoon. Hmm, I thought Pete Rose hadn’t been convicted of anything. Okay, so Trump _may_ pardon him… but he shouldn’t. So of course he will. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/184 "2025-03-03T04:27:15Z")
Fellow adjudged rapists; he’ll do it. Have Rose exhumed, stuffed, and propped up in the Oval office with a MAGA cap on. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/185 "2025-03-03T04:48:43Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Good cartoon. _Great_ cartoon. Thank you, @Sherrerd ! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/186 "2025-03-03T21:57:24Z")
Here Downunder, we’re looking at a Federal election to be called, likely in the next few weeks. Thankfully our election cycles aren’t drawn out and as theatrical as yours in the US, and once called, the election will probably be within 6-8 weeks. HOWEVER, we have our political nutjobs just like yours. Fortunately our RWNJs tend not to pull the votes like yours, but thanks to the Orange Felon, they’re going to give it a jolly good try, making Australia Great Again. May I introduce the [Trumpet of Patriots](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/19/clive-palmer-trumpet-of-patriots-ntwnfb). Trump has emboldened the dangerous right-wing extremists that, prior to his ascendency, were merely lurking in the foetid shadows of political discourse. Fuck you Trump, and FUCK YOU CLIVE PALMER. Get your shit off’ve my media please. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964/187 "2025-03-03T22:48:20Z")
I can see how loathsome Clive Palmer is just from reading his online bios. I imagine he divides the landscape like a canyon a thousand feet deep. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-but-once-again-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today-part-2/1013964.md?page=10)