# How is all this Republican overreach going to play out in November 2014? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 7, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884 "2013-07-07T18:55:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/61 "2013-07-09T15:08:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then why celebrate a possible future where most voters are assumed to be Democrats based on nothing more than their race? Not their race. Their generation. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/62 "2013-07-09T15:20:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then why celebrate a possible future where most voters are assumed to be Democrats based on nothing more than their race? That’s an illiberal future. That’s not really what Democrats celebrate- they (we) celebrate increased diversity in general. > [@](#): > > Thankfully, Democrats are completely wrong about what demographic changes will mean. Are we to believe that your prediction is better? Based on your track record with predictions? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/63 "2013-07-09T15:24:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then can the triumphalism about how we’re going to have a new people soon. First, it’s not going to happen, second, it’s un-American. We get a new people **every** generation here. Nothing could be **more** American. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/64 "2013-07-10T00:19:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, you have to be for **something.** You seem to be suggesting that only some revolutionary alternative to the Republicrats would be acceptable, but, look around you, no such thing is in the field. Then I must be in the field. What the world needs now is a new John Brown. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/65 "2013-07-10T00:25:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You’re missing the point. America is a diverse country with many political viewpoints and always has been. Democrats are looking forward to a day when America becomes less diverse politically. They seem tired of all this messy democracy stuff and would rather just have a people who will rubberstamp whatever they feel like doing. Political diversity is an awfully nice excuse for lionizing ignorance, encouraging deluded priorities, and advocating foolish, unsustainable, destructive policies. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/66 "2013-07-10T00:59:14Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Then I must be in the field. > > What the world needs now is a new John Brown. Try again and pick a winner. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/67 "2013-07-10T03:56:01Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Then I must be in the field. Or under the cornfield, as it may be. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/68 "2013-07-10T04:30:10Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Then I must be in the field. > > What the world needs now is a new John Brown. Not really, unless you just like violence and chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/69 "2013-07-10T04:43:22Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Political diversity is an awfully nice excuse for lionizing ignorance, encouraging deluded priorities, and advocating foolish, unsustainable, destructive policies. You know… This maybe deserves it’s own thread, but let’s say for a moment the U.S. was broken up into fifty countries, with each state being it’s own country, which one would you rather move to on a purely economic basis? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/70 "2013-07-10T06:47:22Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > You know… This maybe deserves it’s own thread, but let’s say for a moment the U.S. was broken up into fifty countries, with each state being it’s own country, which one would you rather move to on a purely economic basis? A blue one. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/71 "2013-07-10T08:32:12Z")
Okay, but \*which \*one? ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/72 "2013-07-10T10:13:58Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > No, actually. You misunderstand our point. We don’t think they’ll be voting Democratic solely because of their race (or gender, or orientation). We think they’ll largely be voting Democratic because of how much the Republican base (and the Teabagger politicians they vote for) is enthusiastically willing to let those people know how much that same Republican base hates them for their race, gender or orientation. Of course, you miss this point because you seem to be incapable of imagining that the Republican Party can possibly do any wrong therefore of COURSE it’s not hatred or racism or homophobia or misogyny! Well put. A very large number of moderates who might once have said “I’m an Independent” now feel quite comfortable saying, and thinking, “I’m a Democrat”. Republicans have completely given away the ‘middle’, conceded it to the Democrats. The middle, where valid concerns are taken seriously, debated and handled, is where most Hispanics, other ethic groups, and most women, live. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/73 "2013-07-10T10:17:45Z")
Well, the top 5 economic powerhouses of the blue states (I’m going to be stricter with blue state here and say Democratic governor as well, not just 2012 EC result) are California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Washington. Note that this skips Florida, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio, Virginia, and Michigan and in most of those states the legislatures have gone batshit crazy. I would think one of those would generally be a good choice. That depends, of course, on what exactly you do for a living and where available jobs are. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/74 "2013-07-10T10:43:35Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > Well put. A very large number of moderates who might once have said “I’m an Independent” now feel quite comfortable saying, and thinking, “I’m a Democrat”. Republicans have completely given away the ‘middle’, conceded it to the Democrats. The middle, where valid concerns are taken seriously, debated and handled, is where most Hispanics, other ethic groups, and most women, live. Gotta admit, that defines my journey. Fifteen years ago I was a no party independent who voted for either party depending on the candidate and the positions. But over the 2000s I was so turned off by the republican party and its behavior that I joined the democratic party, became a candidate and worked for the party recruiting candidates and arranging fundraisers. In short, I got pushed not into being a democrat but being a DEMOCRAT. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/75 "2013-07-10T12:26:59Z")
Here’s that noted Liberal, Ted Cruz, on the future of [the Republican party in Texas](http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/19/121119fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=2). > [@](#): > > “If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” he said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse. > > “In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’ ” But I agree we shouldn’t depend on the\* Tejanos\* to save us. All the other Texans (black, urban, female) who have good reasons to vote Democratic need to continue to do so. And get out the vote… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/76 "2013-07-10T14:02:13Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > You know… This maybe deserves it’s own thread, but let’s say for a moment the U.S. was broken up into fifty countries, with each state being it’s own country, which one would you rather move to on a purely economic basis? I’d stay in Florida. Don’t make no difference, thim dam furriners is gonna keep on retirin’ to here. Pensions drive the state economy. Don’t matter if the checks are made out in in Yorkies or Texapesos or Calibux. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/77 "2013-07-10T16:09:01Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Here’s that noted Liberal, Ted Cruz, on the future of [the Republican party in Texas](http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/11/19/121119fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=2). > > But I agree we shouldn’t depend on the\* Tejanos\* to save us. All the other Texans (black, urban, female) who have good reasons to vote Democratic need to continue to do so. And get out the vote… Well, I’m not expecting much when you have people like Steve King (R-Iowa) going around telling the caucus that it shouldn’t pass because the Democrats will get votes for it: > [@](#): > > “It would hurt Republicans, and I don’t think you can make an argument otherwise,” King said. “Two out of every three of the new citizens would be Democrats.” Some might dismiss this as the rantings of a bombastic right-winger — but his take is mainstream theology among House Republicans. [http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/behind-the-curtain-immigration-reform-heads-for-slow-death-93930.html?hp=t1\_3](http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/behind-the-curtain-immigration-reform-heads-for-slow-death-93930.html?hp=t1_3) Way to put the party above country, or even humanity, Steve. Keep up the good fight. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/78 "2013-07-10T16:35:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You’re missing the point. America is a diverse country with many political viewpoints and always has been. Democrats are looking forward to a day when America becomes less diverse politically. They seem tired of all this messy democracy stuff and would rather just have a people who will rubberstamp whatever they feel like doing. Jut out of curiosity do the words “permanent Republican majority” or “K-street project” ring any bells? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/79 "2013-07-10T16:42:44Z")
If they had done immigration reform when Bush tried we’d be bitching about president McCain right now. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884/80 "2013-07-10T17:42:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You’re missing the point. America is a diverse country with many political viewpoints and always has been. Democrats are looking forward to a day when America becomes less diverse politically. They seem tired of all this messy democracy stuff and would rather just have a people who will rubberstamp whatever they feel like doing. I beg to differ. Republicans are notorious for voting as a bloc. Obama’s stimulus + the ACA got what- zero GOP votes? If the Democrats want less diverse opinions, why do they embrace such diverse groups. If you looked at the crowds at the Democratic convention, you saw a nice cross section of America. In the Republican convention, it was vanilla soup. Here’s how to make a model of GOP ethnicity: take an Olympic size swimming pool. Drain out the water. Fill it with vanilla wafers. Toss in a handful of Oreos. That’s about the right proportion. I’ll believe Republicans welcome diverse opinions when I see one of them say Rush Limbaugh is wrong about something- anything at all. Or when they say publicly that Obama has a good idea and they’re in favor of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-all-this-republican-overreach-going-to-play-out-in-november-2014/662884.md?page=5)