# How is anti-wokeism different from sexism and/or racism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 11, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604 "2023-02-11T01:12:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/244 "2023-02-19T17:49:32Z")
> **Off-Topic Hidden by WE?** > > Isn’t @YWTF TERF friendly? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/245 "2023-02-19T17:56:09Z")
Keep it to posts not personal. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/246 "2023-02-19T21:43:50Z")
What are the policy losses you’re referring to here? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/247 "2023-02-19T23:06:36Z")
> [@epbrown](#): > > This is what you aren’t seeing: …now hold on a second there. You’ve literally quoted me as asking the question “I don’t know what you mean…” This isn’t about what I am seeing or not seeing. I was specifically asking up2eleven what _they_ were seeing. If they called me out for posts that I’ve made in this thread (as you’ve just done) , then we could actually some-what advance the debate. But now that you have, shall we get into it, then? > [@epbrown](#): > > No, I’m not going to provide specifics because it won’t help - Oh no! It looks like you don’t actually _want_ this debate. You seem convinced that I’m absolutist and intolerant. You think I _absolutely_ will not _tolerate_ views to the contrary. And I mean: that’s just fine. You can think whatever it is you want about me. But my position on this isn’t one based out of ignorance. Earlier you challenged me to “be a bit more specific.” So I responded with this: > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > [@epbrown](#): > > > > I ask because I just read an article titled “Here’s What JK Rowling Has Really Said About Trans People” in response to an opinion piece in the NYT (“In Defense of JK Rowling”) and it seemed to be less about Rowling wanting to oppress trans people and more about her **having opinions trans people don’t like.** > > …looking at The Cut article, its a direct refutation of the claims that were made in the New York Times article, the claim that “Nothing Rowling has said qualifies as transphobic.” > > Here’s the Cut article. > > [Here’s What J.K. Rowling Has Really Said About Trans People](https://www.thecut.com/2023/02/heres-what-j-k-rowling-has-really-said-about-trans-people.html) > > It makes the case that what Pamela Paul argued in the NYT simply isn’t true and it backs that claim up by directly refuting all of Pamela Pauls points in her article. > > JK Rowling is transphobic. The Cut article makes that clear. That is much, MUCH more than **having opinions trans people don’t like.** > > > [@epbrown](#): > > > > To borrow your line: can you be a bit more specific? How is JKR changing affecting policy changes that affect trans people? > > To be clear, that _wasn’t_ what I said. I said: > > > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > > Do you not think that JK Rowling is using her power, her money, her influence to help take away rights from transgender people? > > > > Because she is. She is undeniably the most prominent anti-trans voices in the UK. She is doing more than just “spewing ignorance.” She is an active part of the fight to make trans people second-class citizens. > > And yeah, I stand by all of that. She uses her money to fund trans-exclusionary places like [Beira’s Place](https://impactnottingham.com/2023/01/beiras-place-the-problem-with-jk-rowlings-women-only-rape-support-centre/). She uses her influence to [shift the political debate on things like GRC](https://news.sky.com/story/jk-rowling-calls-nicola-sturgeon-destroyer-of-womens-rights-as-author-backs-protests-over-scotlands-new-trans-law-12713787). She uses her power to shut [down](https://twitter.com/josephjames94/status/1625161673941176323) critics. > > And her views on transgender people are quite clear: > > > [@](#): > > > > After several months of more indirect hints of anti-trans views, in June 2020 Rowling published an essay that directly reflected prevailing views and arguments of the gender-critical movement, thus garnering her a reputation as an anti-transgender influence. While the essay contained numerous misinformative statements that have been [thoroughly debunked](https://youtu.be/6Avcp-e4bOs), there are a few noteworthy topics. > > > > … > > > > In her essay, Rowling argued, “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman–and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones–then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth.” > > > > … > > > > Eventually, this hyperbolic echo chamber leads to real-world ramifications. Individually, GCFs will frequently harass and [attack trans women online and in real life](https://time.com/5710466/transphobic-abuse-online-study/). For example, one trans woman at an anti-trans LGB Alliance conference was harassed, [called a “mentally ill pervert,”](https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/25/lgb-alliance-conference-trans-jen-ives/) and physically surrounded just for being in that space. GCF Maya Forstater was accused of, among other things, [harassing and misgendering trans people in her workplace Slack](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/jk-rowling-transgender-women-maya-forstater), leading to her not being rehired and a subsequent appeals case that became a rallying call for GCFs including Rowling herself. Further, many prominent GCFs have worked to doxx trans people and our allies, [many of whom were platformed by Rowling herself](https://youtu.be/w29O8r7bLA4). > > Jessie Gender’s entire article is excellent. You can read it here. > > [https://www.gamespot.com/articles/jk-rowlings-anti-transgender-stance-and-hogwarts-legacy/1100-6501632/](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/jk-rowlings-anti-transgender-stance-and-hogwarts-legacy/1100-6501632/) I provided cites. I provided quotes. I spent time researching. And I’ve devoted a considerable amount of time off-board to learning about all of this. So whatever absolutist position you think I might hold, at the very least its one that is informed by the _facts_. I make no secret of the fact that over the last couple of years I’ve become more absolutist on this. And the reason for that because I’ve been watching, in real time, how quickly anti-trans rhetoric has transformed from “just asking questions” into a worldwide wave of anti-trans legislation and real life danger. So I’m going to be throwing the ball back into your court. I’ve done the work you asked me to do. I’ve made my case on just some of the ways that JK Rowling is using her power, her money, her influence to help take away rights from transgender people. Not convinced yet? Just let me know and I’ll find some more evidence. Intolerant of any shades of gray on the subject? Nope. I’ve examined the “shades of gray.” I’ve done deep dives into the “shades of gray.” I’ve considered all aspects of this. I’ve looked at my own personal relationship with Rowling, and Harry Potter, and the wider community. I’ve done that work already. The “shades of gray” haven’t changed my mind. But maybe you can. What shades of gray do you think I’ve overlooked here, or that I should reconsider? Does my absolutist position annoy you? :: shrugs :: Well sorry, but there isn’t anything I can do about that. That’s a _you_ problem. Not a _me_ problem. Could you ever change my mind? Sure. Absolutely. I’m here for it. I’ve practically been _begging_ people in this thread to change my mind. Because… Can you explain how my “absolutist” position is _harmful_? Because for me this is the biggie. If I’m _actually_ responsible for Roe vs Wade being overturned, if the over three hundred anti-trans legislation on the books right now are all my fault, that I am personally responsible for the industrial prison complex then sure, I’m _open_ to changing my mind. I will officially stop being woke. I will resign from antifa. Step down from leading the Straight Dope Social Justice Warrior Brigade. If what I’m doing here is actually harmful, and if you can objectively, with evidence, demonstrate this, I’ll hang up my woke-hat for good. Make the case. Do you consider me woke? Do you want to use me as an example of what wokeism is, and why everything about wokeism is wrong, and that its people like me that are hurting the “cause” and the reason why the “right” are winning? Sure. Lets go for it. But make sure you bring the receipts. Because this isn’t my first time in the Great Debates arena. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/248 "2023-02-19T23:18:45Z")
I live in North Carolina, where a duo of anti-trans bills are before the legislature, eager to use whatever culture war divisive issue they can get their hands on. My niece is trans. This shit is personal; and when people, whoever they are, work to make life more difficult for my niece, you betcha I’ll have a hard time being chill about it. But I’m on an outer circle. I’m cis, and this doesn’t threaten me personally. It’s worth it to me to try to maintain some chill–especially in face-to-face interactions, where I might actually do some good–so that maybe I can take some of the heat off my niece. I’ve been involved in leftist causes since the late eighties when I did some volunteering with Act Up. I’ve become increasingly convinced that both the radicals and the pragmatists are necessary; but some of the radicals are just as counterproductive as some of the pragmatists. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/249 "2023-02-19T23:41:45Z")
> [@YWTF](#): > > Sure, this checks all the boxes. > > [https://twitter.com/chasestrangio/status/1626211877104791552](https://twitter.com/chasestrangio/status/1626211877104791552) …it doesn’t actually check any of the boxes. You argued that: > [@YWTF](#): > > Show me to the loudest, most argumentative voices railing against perceived injustices on the internet (and in meatspace) and I’ll show you the people who are the least effective in bringing out the change they desire. In the last 5 years, the left has amassed a disproportionate number of these counterproductive millstones, and unsurprisingly, we are seeing the results of this in policy. Cause and effect. And you’ve shown us a tweet. Not a particularly loud tweet. Not a particularly argumentative tweet. Just a bog-standard piece of internet snark. Certainly not the worst that I’ve seen. And absolutely mild compared to the things that Chris R&fo, M@tt Walsh, L\*bs of TikTok are posting at the moment. > [@YWTF](#): > > ACLU lawyer with a lot of influence, right? Why is that influence being wasted They are speaking to their audience. Everybody is locked into their own ecosystems now. Chase has an audience of over 100,000 followers and that Tweet got viewed over 150,000 times. Whether or not that influence was “wasted” here is entirely a subjective thing. I suspect they got exactly the engagement that they wanted. > [@](#): > > on taking racially charged, misogynist potshots at a beloved children’s book author whose popularity has only grown in the last few years? When there are so many other issues that energy could go toward? I’ll give you the misogyny. But plenty of people loved Hitler as well. (Godwin gave me permission to post this.) So the fact that some people consider her a “beloved children’s book author whose popularity has only grown in the last few years” doesn’t change the fact that many _other_ people see her as a vicious, cruel, anti-Semitic racist who hates trans people and is the figurehead in the UK for the gender-critical movement which is actively fighting to take away rights for transgender people. > [@YWTF](#): > > When there are so many other issues that energy could go toward? Do you know how much energy it takes to write a _tweet_? I posted a tweet an hour ago. I was lying in bed at the time, in a blanket, staring up at the ceiling. I did it with _one hand_. I did all the typing with my _thumb_. How much energy do you think it takes to write a snarky tweet on twitter dot com? > [@YWTF](#): > > And global fascism, really? Yes, really. But that’s a subject for a whole nother thread. > [@YWTF](#): > > It’s very a high school way of arguing a position. I mean: its _Twitter_. What are you expecting, a dissertation? > [@YWTF](#): > > No one finds this convincing except others who engage in this performative loudmouthery. It wasn’t intended to convince. Its kinda like here. I go into Great Debates to debate. And I go into the BBQ Pit and to rant. Sometimes you post something on Twitter to convince. Sometimes you go on Twitter just to make a snarky point. You can do both of those things AND be effective in bringing about change they desire by working tirelessly, writing letters to Congress, donating time and money to organizations that advocate for their causes, organizing public events to get their message out in a rational and compelling way, voting strategically. Which are all things that I’m pretty sure Chase _also_ does. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/250 "2023-02-20T00:19:19Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > So the fact that some people consider her a “beloved children’s book author whose popularity has only grown in the last few years” doesn’t change the fact that many _other_ people see her as a vicious, cruel, anti-Semitic racist who hates trans people and is the figurehead in the UK for the gender-critical movement which is actively fighting to take away rights for transgender people. Those other people are wrong. JK Rowling’s influence has been massively overstated, the “harmful” content of her tweets has been massively exaggerated, her work isn’t anti-semitic or racist and nobody thought so until ten minutes ago when she said that she didn’t think trans women were women. Some people may have tried to make a reasoned case to her that trans women were women. If they did, I didn’t see them. I did, however, see a great many people posting variations on “Kill yourself, TERF cunt” which I suspect may have caused her to dig her heels in a little. I’ve read her essay, and I’ve read all her supposedly “harmful” tweets and I think the only way to arrive at the conclusion that she’s vicious, cruel etc… is to interpret her words in the most negative possible light and ascribe to her the least charitable motivations imaginable, literally all of the time, while simultaneously turning a blind eye to the frankly deranged reaction to her words from many commentators on the progressive left. I can’t get behind that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/251 "2023-02-20T00:22:57Z")
Your post would have been much more convincing if her words and actions weren’t readily available on the internet _and in this very thread._ But they are, and you’re not. The defense of Rowling seems to be both that she is very popular…and that she has no influence. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/252 "2023-02-20T00:23:30Z")
No they aren’t. Show me posts containing direct quotes. Not links to articles about other people’s interpretations of her words, but her actual words, in context. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/253 "2023-02-20T00:27:15Z")
Why don’t y’all start jumping through those hoops yourself, and show us how it is done. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/254 "2023-02-20T00:29:42Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/255 "2023-02-20T00:30:43Z")
OK, watch it now. This is pushing too close to attacking the poster. I’m going to close this for 22 minutes. No warning, but argue content, not posters. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/256 "2023-02-20T00:52:32Z")
This topic was automatically opened after 22 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/257 "2023-02-20T00:52:37Z")
To get this back on track (sorry about that), could someone on the ant-woke side of the equation provide some specific examples of wokism that you oppose. By examples, I do not mean anecdotes that are impossible to check out and verify. Try to show me through specific examples that anti-wokism is not connected to racism and/or sexism. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/258 "2023-02-20T01:07:20Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > Those other people are wrong. …those people, just like you, are entitled to share their opinion. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > JK Rowling’s influence has been massively overstated, the “harmful” content of her tweets has been massively exaggerated, her work isn’t anti-semitic or racist and nobody thought so until ten minutes ago when she said that she didn’t think trans women were women. JK Rowlings influence hasn’t been massively overstated at all. The content of her tweets have been posted verbatim and haven’t been exaggerated, we saw that she made the goblins bankers, we see Cho Chang and Kingsley Shacklebolt. Its all right there, out in the open. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > Some people may have tried to make a reasoned case to her that trans women were women. If they did, I didn’t see them. This is a settled argument on the dope. And its settled here because the information is all out there. JK Rowling, a billionaire author that has the ability to do pretty much anything they want, doesn’t _need_ anyone to make a reasoned case on this. They have all the resources to be able to find out about this on their own. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > I did, however, see a great many people posting variations on “Kill yourself, TERF cunt” which I suspect may have caused her to dig her heels in a little. I suspect that the many variations of these were compiled on a screenshot somewhere because that sort of thing is clearly in violation of Twitters rules and would have been deleted after mass reporting. And many of those reporters would have been the chronically woke like me. Because that kind of discourse is unacceptable. So it makes sense that you would have seen variations on this particular theme. Because they would all have been compiled quite handily in one place. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > I’ve read her essay, and I’ve read all her supposedly “harmful” tweets and I think the only way to arrive at the conclusion that she’s vicious, cruel etc… is to interpret her words in the most negative possible light and ascribe to her the least charitable motivations imaginable, literally all of the time, I used to follow her on Twitter. I even liked and re-tweeted some of her tweets. I was charitable for a time. I have her plenty of leeway. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But when she started to post transphobic stuff I found that I had to mute her. Then I found myself having to unfollow her. Then when she started to pal around with other toxic gender critical activists, when she started going out of her way to target prominent transgender youtubers like Jessie Gender, when she actively started posting anti-trans rhetoric, I finally blocked her. I did what you wanted me to do. She’s chosen her side. I don’t need to be charitable any more. She said what she said. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > while simultaneously turning a blind eye to the frankly deranged reaction to her words from many commentators on the progressive left. Turn a “blind eye?” Really? Who was it exactly that said " “Kill yourself, TERF c$nt?" Was it one of many " commentators on the progressive left?" Or was it Mr Trolly Troll, from Trollsville, President of the Trolling Troll Society? Because as the current President of the Straightdope Woke Society, I **denounce** this behaviour. This is **unacceptable**. If I had seen that at the time I would have reported it. I **don’t** turn a blind eye to this. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > I can’t get behind that. And the wokes generally don’t get behind asking people to kill themselves either. So it looks like you are on the same side as the wokes in this regard. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > No they aren’t. Show me posts containing direct quotes. Not links to articles about other people’s interpretations of her words, but her actual words, in context. This is an unreasonable expectation. The articles I’ve linked to _contain_ direct quotes. And most of the time those quotes link to the actual words that she has said and you can read them for yourself in context. So this has already been _done_. That you happen to disagree with the commentary is irrelevant. If there is anything specific that you want to call out, then do that. But we aren’t going to run around finding cites to prove _your_ case. ---
**Author:** ![YWTF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/d07c76/32.png) [@YWTF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWTF)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/259 "2023-02-20T01:10:01Z")
> [@up2eleven](#): > > My fellow progressives can barely agree on anything and so many refuse to cooperate with those who disagree with them on just about anything. “I won’t work with Frank because he’s not vegan…” I’ve literally watched this shit happen when I was more involved. It’s the lack of proportionality that is ruining things. No longer can two folks disagree on an issue and still allow for the possibility that they are both liberal. Nope, can’t have that. One has to be not merely of a different opinion and not merely just wrong. They must also be on the far right. And also a global fascist Hitler who literally wants to kill and torture people. Yes, I’m exaggerating a little. But not that much. This is what people are talking about when they think of wokeness. It’s liberal people who treat beliefs that conflict with their own—even relatively trivial ones—as having an evil moral dimension that makes other people worthy of severe social punishment. When the social punishment is meted out, those who see this as righteousness will feel a sense of victory but it’s shallow and illusory. Hearts and minds were not won, opinions not shifted. Just a lot of lost credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/260 "2023-02-20T01:11:43Z")
> [@YWTF](#): > > This is what people are talking about when they think of wokeness. It’s liberal people who treat beliefs that conflict with their own—even relatively trivial ones—as having an evil moral dimension that makes other people worthy of severe social punishment. When the social punishment is meted out, those who see this as righteousness will feel a sense of victory but it’s shallow and illusory. Hearts and minds were not won, opinions not shifted. Just a lot of lost credibility. And a good example of all this would be…? ---
**Author:** ![YWTF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/d07c76/32.png) [@YWTF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWTF)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/261 "2023-02-20T01:18:28Z")
An article that a friend shared with me the other day: [A Black Professor Trapped in Anti-Racist Hell | Compact Mag](https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-professor-trapped-in-anti-racist-hell) I see that this was also posted by @PhillyGuy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/262 "2023-02-20T01:18:37Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > her work isn’t anti-semitic or racist and nobody thought so until ten minutes ago when she said that she didn’t think trans women were women. At the risk of hipstering it up, in 2012 I was in a class on children’s lit, and we discussed Harry Potter, and I was hating on her before it was cool. Brought up quotes by China Mieville, Ursula Le Guin, and others, talking about her paternalism, her racism, her colonialism, and her sexism. This ain’t exactly a newfangled thing here. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604/263 "2023-02-20T01:25:03Z")
> [@YWTF](#): > > An article that a friend shared with me the other day: [A Black Professor Trapped in Anti-Racist Hell | Compact Mag](https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-professor-trapped-in-anti-racist-hell) …and as I said the first time this article was posted, what did Keisha have to say about what her professor said? This isn’t objective evidence of anything much. Its just a professor yelling at the kids to “get off their lawn.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-anti-wokeism-different-from-sexism-and-or-racism/979604.md?page=14)