# How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198 "2021-06-13T23:23:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/301 "2021-06-27T17:00:44Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > f you want to call shit that happened with long dead people a crime, And here we have the apologist crap about how these people are “long dead” The implication being that we should just forget about what happened, bury the past and don’t talk about it. What kind of asshole does shit like this? An asshole like you. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/302 "2021-06-27T17:01:05Z")
[Straw man - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/303 "2021-06-27T17:02:14Z")
Why do you mention “long dead”? People can actually see what you type. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/304 "2021-06-27T17:03:49Z")
Indeed, which means the many times you snip just small parts of what I say to alter the full meaning in context, is on display for everyone as well. Why do you think we should just forget about what happened? You’re the one who doesn’t want to talk about it, learn about its history, actually study it in any meaningful way. I wager you still haven’t read that T&C Commission report I linked to. I can only assume you’re projecting and since you continually lie about things I’ve said, those lies represent your core beliefs. Why do you want this swept under the rug? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/305 "2021-06-27T18:33:44Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I can only assume you’re projecting No, it’s the known liar calling other people liars who is projecting. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/306 "2021-06-27T18:41:12Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Why do you want this swept under the rug? Something is being swept under the rug, alright. The fact is that you are using an incomplete report that allows you to ignore the final one, when you incorrectly assumed that parents were informed of the deaths of the kids. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/307 "2021-06-27T18:46:00Z")
I really don’t think that @Martin_Hyde is trying to downplay the severity of the actions taken here anymore. I think that he is complaining that they didn’t go far enough. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/308 "2021-06-27T20:01:52Z")
Absolutely correct. He does not _deny_ that genocide has taken place. He just wants the assimilation and destruction of indigenous culture to continue to it’s final conclusion. He’s pretty much alligned wtih the words of Duncan Campbell Scott > It is readily acknowledged that Indian children lose their natural resistance to illness, by habitating so closely in these schools, and they die at a much higher rate than in their villages. **But this alone, does not justify a change in the policy of this department, which is being geared towards the final solution of our Indian problem.** > > It is quite within the mark to say that 50% of the children who passed through these schools did not live to benefit from the education they received therein.” > > Duncan Campbell Scott > Deputy Superintendent General of Indian Affairs > 1913-1932 Bolding mine. I imagine if Duncan Campbell Scott were alive today, he’d be posting bullshit here like: "I assume the parents knew. " or “If it was in the late 70s when I think the last of these ceased operations, that would raise a lot of questions. If it was in the 1890s, somewhat less.” (NOTE this specific point HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, but the bullshit about how long ago it was so never mind keeps popping up like a turd that wont’ be flushed) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/309 "2021-06-27T20:42:15Z")
It’s not genocide if anyone is left to complain. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/310 "2021-06-28T00:21:43Z")
Someone cryin. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/311 "2021-06-28T00:22:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > … Lot of lies and nonsense here. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/312 "2021-06-28T01:23:29Z")
Really? I only see three dots. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/313 "2021-06-28T01:30:49Z")
> It is readily acknowledged that Indian children lose their natural resistance to illness, by habitating so closely in these schools, and they die at a much higher rate than in their villages. **But this alone, does not justify a change in the policy of this department, which is being geared towards the final solution of our Indian problem.** > > It is quite within the mark to say that 50% of the children who passed through these schools did not live to benefit from the education they received therein.” > > Duncan Campbell Scott > Deputy Superintendent General of Indian Affairs > 1913-1932 > [@Many hundreds of unmarked graves of Indigenous children discovered at Canadian residential schools](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/many-hundreds-of-unmarked-graves-of-indigenous-children-discovered-at-canadian-residential-schools/943674/133): > > The reality is, while this is rightly seen as a form of monstrous cultural genocide by modern times, it can’t be entirely denied that it also lead to some positive outcomes for native children that were denied previous generations–specifically certain educational opportunities. Education, the acquisition of literacy, competence at mathematics and formal logic have a lot of benefits for a person’s life, even if it is mixed with other, bad things. > [@Many hundreds of unmarked graves of Indigenous children discovered at Canadian residential schools](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/many-hundreds-of-unmarked-graves-of-indigenous-children-discovered-at-canadian-residential-schools/943674/144): > > I do not believe the governments of the day put children into situations like this (Indians or otherwise) with that sort of mistreatment as an outright **goal** > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > It’s also worth noting AFAIK most of the boarding school separations were not permanent and complete, which complicates comparing it directly to the separation of slave families which were generally permanent and complete. > [@Many hundreds of unmarked graves of Indigenous children discovered at Canadian residential schools](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/many-hundreds-of-unmarked-graves-of-indigenous-children-discovered-at-canadian-residential-schools/943674/133): > > I think the white men involved genuinely felt they were reformers > [@Many hundreds of unmarked graves of Indigenous children discovered at Canadian residential schools](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/many-hundreds-of-unmarked-graves-of-indigenous-children-discovered-at-canadian-residential-schools/943674/139): > > I do think they actually cared > [@Many hundreds of unmarked graves of Indigenous children discovered at Canadian residential schools](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/many-hundreds-of-unmarked-graves-of-indigenous-children-discovered-at-canadian-residential-schools/943674/144): > > I do not believe the governments of the day put children into situations like this (Indians or otherwise) with that sort of mistreatment as an outright **goal** > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Another wrinkle is some of these schools, perhaps even all of them, would not meet the definition of “transfer” of children. Some of the schools were day schools, and the children were sent home at the end of the day. Fucking Genocide Apologist. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/314 "2021-06-28T05:34:19Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > You’re alleging lots of living abuse victims are alive today whose abusers are also still alive. Do you believe evidence of buried bodies, detected by ground-penetrating radar, would be part of the evidence used against people indicted for sex crimes? I would certainly think an investigation is warranted. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/315 "2021-06-28T07:14:13Z")
Someone lyin’. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/316 "2021-06-28T13:36:35Z")
You may wish to learn the actual facts. The last residential school closed in 1996. That’s right, 1996. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/317 "2021-06-28T14:44:43Z")
You may want to read the T&C report which mentions the history of burial policies and practices, and which is highly suggestive there were not significant burials at these schools in recent decades. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/318 "2021-06-28T14:47:27Z")
I would agree–I would also say that only **after** such investigations fines living perpetrators and clear evidence of crimes, should we start arresting people. FWIW we are seeing news articles about these cemeteries because there is an ongoing investigation. In fact many of the details of this stuff have been in official published reports by the Canadian government for a number of years, including that thousands of Native children died in the schools and were buried there. The whole reason they started looking around the sites of closed schools with ground penetrating radar is in fact because of all the data out there suggesting lots of children were buried at these schools and the Canadian government’s report that there was no national policy on burials, and that in most places the schools operated there were no local policies for much of the school’s history. It was known from archived communications that no arrangements had been made for care and upkeep of the cemeteries (there are archived letters of school heads writing to the government to see if a graveyard could be maintained after the school had been closed–in the example cited in the Canadian report the school head’s own family was buried on the graveyard which is probably why it was important to him.) ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/319 "2021-06-28T14:48:09Z")
None of that aplogizes for genocide. You’re just a crybaby that doesn’t like facts. Especially when they get in the way of your psychotic and unhinged bashing of Western culture. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/320 "2021-06-28T14:57:23Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > your psychotic and unhinged bashing of Western culture. LIar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198.md?page=17)