# How is someone like Christine Ford supposed to prove her case? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383 "2018-11-12T00:53:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/221 "2018-11-22T19:42:53Z")
Christine Ford made no good faith effort to determine where and when the alleged assault took place. Ford testified she saw Mark Judge six to eight weeks after the alleged incident working at a Safeway. In his autobiography, Judge states he worked at a supermarket for few weeks to get money for football camp which started on the 23rd of August. Therefore, the alleged assault would have taken place in June 1982. **See how easy that was?** Am I that smart? Why didn’t Ford even bother to narrow it down to the month of June? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/222 "2018-11-22T19:55:08Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is false. There is lots and lots of evidence of it. No, there isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/223 "2018-11-22T19:58:03Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Christine Ford made no good faith effort to determine where and when the alleged assault took place. > > Ford testified she saw Mark Judge six to eight weeks after the alleged incident working at a Safeway. In his autobiography, Judge states he worked at a supermarket for few weeks to get money for football camp which started on the 23rd of August. Therefore, the alleged assault would have taken place in June 1982. > > **See how easy that was?** Am I that smart? > > Why didn’t Ford even bother to narrow it down to the month of June? We can also eliminate June 1st through June 13th because Kavanaugh was at Beach Week and we can also eliminate the June 18th through June 25th because Kavanaugh was at basketball camp. So the alleged assault could only have taken place June 13th through 17th or June 26th to the 30th. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/224 "2018-11-22T20:15:41Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > No, there isn’t. You’re just wishing away evidence now. I guess that’s one way to protect your worldview. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/225 "2018-11-22T21:05:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s amazing the fantasies people will believe absent even the tiniest bit of evidence. It’s quite easy to defend the innocent when there is no evidence against them. > > the term “fully investigated” is a nonsense soundbite. No amount of time will ever satisfy the term. The person making the accusation couldn’t produce any evidence to back it up and the witnesses provided didn’t know anything about it. Despite this lack of evidence it was investigated. It was accorded all the investigation the lack of evidence indicated. > > I truly don’t understand what you don’t understand about this. You’ve taken your belief in a completely unsubstantiated accusation and blamed conservatives for not taking it seriously. It was taken seriously. When there is no evidence anything occurred then that logical conclusion is that it didn’t occur. Excellent straw man takedown. Didn’t actually respond to what I’ve been saying, but straw man takedowns have been par for the course for those who have consistently sided with a president who bragged about sexual assault and violating the consent of women and girls on multiple occasions. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/226 "2018-11-22T21:18:23Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You’re just wishing away evidence now. I guess that’s one way to protect your worldview. a non-verifiable accusation is not evidence. It’s an accusation. Until it’s corroborated it remains as such. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/227 "2018-11-22T21:24:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > a non-verifiable accusation is not evidence. It’s an accusation. Until it’s corroborated it remains as such. The investigation could have easily delved into every aspect of both Ford and Kavanaugh’s testimony, but the Republican leaders chose to limit it. Which makes it reasonable to suspect they were not interested in seeing if either lied during their testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/228 "2018-11-22T21:25:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Excellent straw man takedown. Didn’t actually respond to what I’ve been saying, but straw man takedowns have been par for the course for those who have consistently sided with a president who bragged about sexual assault and violating the consent of women and girls on multiple occasions. I responded directly to what you said. We’re discussing Ford and her unverifiable accusations and you launched on a political rant about Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/229 "2018-11-22T21:29:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > a non-verifiable accusation is not evidence. It’s an accusation. Until it’s corroborated it remains as such. It has been corroborated in many ways by many different sources. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/230 "2018-11-22T23:04:04Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > It has been corroborated in many ways by many different sources. There is no proof that there was every a party in the first place or that Ford was touched by anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/231 "2018-11-22T23:41:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There is no proof that there was every a party in the first place or that Ford was touched by anyone. That is not remotely what I have been discussing in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/232 "2018-11-22T23:46:55Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The sandbagging began and ended with Ford’s inability to produce any evidence. Yeah, by not investigating properly it is no wonder that more evidence could not be found. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/233 "2018-11-23T00:43:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yeah, by not investigating properly it is no wonder that more evidence could not be found. When you accuse someone about an event you can’t place in time or location and none of your witnesses can back you up then there isn’t any starting point for an investigation. It was investigated as far as the evidence or lack thereof allowed. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/234 "2018-11-23T15:08:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The investigation could have easily delved into every aspect of both Ford and Kavanaugh’s testimony, but the Republican leaders chose to limit it. Which makes it reasonable to suspect they were not interested in seeing if either lied during their testimony. Did Ford go on any family vacations or attend camps that would eliminate days the party could have taken place? Did she go to church or participate in other activities that would eliminate Sundays as the party date? Did Ford have a job or other activities or responsibilities that would not allow her to attend an impromptu party? Was the pool at the country club indoors or outdoors? Was the pool shut down for maintenance so that she would not swim on certain days? Did the country club hold events which would have not allowed her to swim on certain days? How many days of bad weather were there in the summer of 1982? Ford doesn’t mention rain in her testimony so any days where there were rain could eliminated as well. **Yes, I absolutely want to know Mark Judge’s dates of employment at the Safeway. This can dramatically narrow down the window in which the party could have occurred.** ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/235 "2018-11-23T16:20:23Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Did Ford go on any family vacations or attend camps that would eliminate days the party could have taken place? > > Did she go to church or participate in other activities that would eliminate Sundays as the party date? > > Did Ford have a job or other activities or responsibilities that would not allow her to attend an impromptu party? > > Was the pool at the country club indoors or outdoors? Was the pool shut down for maintenance so that she would not swim on certain days? Did the country club hold events which would have not allowed her to swim on certain days? > > How many days of bad weather were there in the summer of 1982? Ford doesn’t mention rain in her testimony so any days where there were rain could eliminated as well. > > **Yes, I absolutely want to know Mark Judge’s dates of employment at the Safeway. This can dramatically narrow down the window in which the party could have occurred.** Unfortunately the Republicans in the Senate were not interested in answering questions like these. They cared much more about political concerns than about getting to the facts of the allegations and the testimony of Ford and Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/236 "2018-11-23T16:38:25Z")
Since both Ford and Kavanaugh testified, what you allege must be false. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/237 "2018-11-23T16:39:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yeah, by not investigating properly it is no wonder that more evidence could not be found. Then tell us what exactly should have been done, with reference to your vast experience in investigation and criminal prosecutions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/238 "2018-11-23T16:55:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Since both Ford and Kavanaugh testified, what you allege must be false. > > Regards, > Shodan If you’re talking to me, I’m arguing that the Republicans were not interested in investigating all the different claims made by Ford and Kavanaugh, or else they would have investigated each one to ascertain the facts. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/239 "2018-11-23T16:55:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unfortunately the Republicans in the Senate were not interested in answering questions like these. They cared much more about political concerns than about getting to the facts of the allegations and the testimony of Ford and Kavanaugh. We can also eliminate July 1st through the Fifth because the July 4th holiday would certainly be a reference point that Ford would have had to have remembered as well as Kavanaugh went to the beach for the weekend with Squi. July 1st could not be the date either because Tobin lived far from the country club and Squi was in attendance. There’s no way that Ford would not have remembered Squi being there since they were in a brief relationship. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/240 "2018-11-23T16:56:22Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > We can also eliminate July 1st through the Fifth because the July 4th holiday would certainly be a reference point that Ford would have had to have remembered as well as Kavanaugh went to the beach for the weekend with Squi. July 1st could not be the date either because Tobin lived far from the country club and Squi was in attendance. There’s no way that Ford would not have remembered Squi being there since they were in a brief relationship. If only the Republicans in the Senate were nearly as interested in actually finding out the facts about the testimony of Ford and Kavanaugh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383.md?page=13)