How is the Democratic Party's Platform Destructive?

The reason why interventionist economic policies are generally destructive is that politicians can’t hope to have the information needed to make good decisions. The economy and society are evolved, complex systems, and micromanaging them from a federal government destroys diversity required to keep the system stable and efficient. Ecologists have learned the lessons of interfering in the development of complex systems, and thus came up with the precautionary principle. It’s a shame that the left hasn’t discovered that meddling in complex societies can be equally unpredictable and destructive.

For example, let’s look at California’s new bill AB 5 (the taxicab owners full employment bill) which seeks to punish companies like Uber and Lyfft who use contract drivers. The government says that these poor contract people lack health benefits, worker protections, retirement plans, etc. Therefore, they shouldn’t be allowed to do it.

What is actually happening, though, is that lots and lots of people who PREFER being contract employees on their own schedule will now be forced to be employees. Or more likely, this will break the model of Uber and other companies, and drive them out of the market.

Then you have the problem with freelance writers, who are now allowed to make up to 35 submissions per year before they have to become employees. The people writing the bill were probably thinking of people in their social sphere - columnists, opinion writers for major newspapers, etc. But caught in the crossfire are all the low-paid ‘gig’ workers who write for blogs or online journals, and who get paid very little per submission because the submissions are relatively short and boilerplate. Such people can sell 35 submissions a month, easily. And no one can afford to hire them as employees, because it would kill their business model.

The end result of this particular do-good legislation will be (unless the bill is rescinded or heavily modified) the destruction of the ‘gig’ economy in California, and further flight of internet businesses out of the state. This is the real world result when a simple bill meets a complex world.

Now, let’s look at the $15/hr minimum wage. There is no question that significant bumps in the minimum wage destroy jobs and businesses and competitiveness. The results are in from the places that have done it, and they aren’t good.

But let’s put that aside, as it’s been constantly debated. Let’s look at another effect of a national minimum wage: It will destroy the comparative advantage of places that have a low cost of living. One reason a business might locate in, say Arizona instead of California is because the cost of living is lower, so employees can be paid less and products can be made more cheaply. But if you mandate that everyone must get at least $15/hr, that company loses its advantage, and the value of getting people out of high cost of living areas and relocated where there is more space and lower living costs is diminished, which will help keep lower cost/lower income areas supressed and exacerbate the problem of concentrating people in high-cost regions. That’s ultimately destructive to the economy and to the quality of life of people who don’t live in the most expensive cities.

Is there any logical reason whatsoever why someone who lives in a place where rent is $500/mo and a house can be purchased for $100,000 should have the same minimum wages as someone who lives in a region where rent is $2500 and a house costs $1 million and up?

Democrats always claim ‘diversity’ is good, yet their policies have the effect of reducing real diversity that matters, such as economic and political differences between regions. A national minimum wage is an attempt to eliminate economic differences between different regions of the country - differences that make America stronger and actually more diverse than many countries with strong federal governments. It’s a really bad idea.

Oh, barf. Way to turn a phrase meaning “stop discriminating against people on the basis of sex and race,” and turn it into some red state/blue state bullshit.

You raise many good points, but your wholesale denial of the racial problems in this country is alarming.

I’m not denying that at all. What I am saying is that Democrats only mean one specific kind of ‘diversity’, but complex systems thrive on many kinds of diversity, and Democratic policies have the effect of destroying many types of diversity important to the economy and to society. In an information economy, the most important diversity is diversity of thought and ideas. Democrats seem to want diversity of skin color and gender and the rest, but only if all those diverse people think he same way. Gay, black or female Republicans don’t make the ‘diversity’ cut.

Or take borders, for example. Complex systems have borders everywhere, for good reason. Real diversity NEEDS borders. Human society thrives when there are many cultures doing their own thing. Borders allow people to have their own laws that work best for their culture, to experiment with different economic and social organizations without risk to the global population, to make mistakes in public health without creating global pandemics, etc.

Remove borders, and you ultimately destroy real diversity and you increase systemic risk. With borders, the world can tolerate a country engaging in economic foolishness, as the damage is contained. In a global world without borders, the first really bad decision will have global consequences.

Yes they do, but there are so damn few of them (especially the first two categories) that any description of the GOP as “diverse” is laughable. It’s a massively, overwhelmingly white party at present. And this is not by chance, but due to a series of decisions by powerful Republican and Democratic politicians over the last 50-60 years or so.

Why are we importing people to begin with? We can barely take care of our poor as it is. Whats with this unhinged drive to bring in as much busted humanity as we can handle and give them a better chance at making it over our own citizens while making taxpayers foot the bill.

Thats pretty damn destructive to the democrat party.

Well that, and the fact that the USA has been overwhelmingly white since forever.

Good points all around right here.

But the argument always goes circular, right back to the beginning where Democrats say “but we dont want open borders, that’s a rightwing scare tactic” while they campaign for friggin open borders.

I think I saw that argument walking down a road paved with yellow bricks, in the company of a large feline with nervous issues, a bargain-basement Cyberman, and a little girl in a gingham dress. And her little dog, too.

You guys mock, deflect, and generally get foul but your party, the subject of this thread, is hell bent on giving every possible ‘free’ item then can to illegal aliens and asylum/refugee recipients while theres poor people of every color who were born here and don’t even get the same footing, support, and opportunity. Every single one of the candidates jump at the chance to raise their hands at giving free shit to illegal aliens.

Its nuts that none of you guys can see how that might, justifiably, piss some taxpaying citizens off.

Its also destructive to your party that almost none of your mainstream party leaders have any concern with how they are actually gonna pay for all this shit without raising everyones taxes (because thats not possible)(because they are lying).

So when Republicans say, “We don’t want an all-White country, that’s a left wing scare tactic!” but they campaign for an all White country, how are we supposed to react to that?

I’m sorry, Annoyed, what did you say? I couldn’t hear over the sound of your Commander-in-Thief trying to extort a sovereign nation into investigating his political rivals and trying to enrich himself by holding an international summit at his own resort.

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How rude of CA to force those companies to follow the law. They should instead allow Uber and Lyft to misclassify their workers to gain a competitive edge over those other stupid law-abiding companies.

In fact, CA should roll-back other worker rights for the benefit of Uber and Lyft. Think how much more productive Uber and Lyft would be if they were allowed to beat their workers!

I look forward to your “principled”, “conservative” argument in favor of just such a decision.

A trillion seems like a more difficult number to count to than 6, and we all know people who can’t even count to 6, hmmmmm?

Because thats some shit you just made up in that little noggin of yours, while what Im saying is literally, verbatim, what the left openly states for the world to see.

Having a problem with that does not mean I want an all white country, thats the dumbest, most insulting straw man thats pervading the mainstream left right now, and a very large part of the problem in why the democrat party platform is destructive, and a very large part of the ‘division’ that is happening in the country.

Cool deflection bro, but probably better to barf it up in one of the 500 Trump whinge/meltdown threads. This one is about the Democrat party.

Unless you’re saying that Trump justifies everything stupid the left does, in which case be my guest & drive yourselves into obscurity.

Yeah but if people want to take those jobs they why not let them. If the outcome of the law is a net negative, why the fuck do it? You seem to be from the position that it will be a positive for the contract drivers, when it sure looks like an overall negative to me. The only reason Uber and Lyft are soo popular is because they are cheap (cheaper than taxis) and plentiful.

I mean I got a taxi ride a few months ago that cost $120 bucks one way for almost an hours travel time, in the middle of the night, and recently got an Uber for the exact same trip during the daytime that cost $45. That law effectively makes just about all them glorified taxis. That has the potential to kill the market off and remove jobs.

I’d be really surprised if you could cite this because even legal immigrants are restricted from a lot of entitlements.

You haven’t been watching the Dem Debates have you.

Legal immigrants should be restricted from any entitlements whatsoever. if they can’t support themselves they they should be rightly fucked off with a quickness, like just about every other 1st world country does. Those benefits are paid for by citizens over whole lifetimes and should only be doled out to them. Youre not supposed to be a burden.

And are you really unaware of the overall costs of illegal immigration, the ‘refugee crisis’ on the southern border, and what it costs to support asylum seekers and refugees when they come over? We’ve got people in our very own country that dont even have running water or plumbing or electricity living in abject poverty but we gonna sit around and re-house whole families from war torn countries?

I actually haven’t and I don’t know what you’re referring to.

First of all, my point is that it is simply false to say that Democrats are handing out free stuff to immigrants that citizens aren’t entitled to. The fact that some entitlements are available to legal immigrants is really longstanding in the US under both parties. There is no entitlement program for illegal immigrants.

In any case, immigration is a net benefit to the economy: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/trade-and-immigration/benefits-immigration-addressing-key-myths

Because it isn’t a net negative, obviously.

Look, there are two competing labor markets for states. There’s the labor market for unskilled labor; Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are competing in that market. Those states are competing for companies by limiting the protections workers have. And they have vast pools of unskilled workers and rapacious companies looking for workers they can abuse. And they’re chasing each other to the bottom of the market by seeking to outdo each other in how little they protect their workers.

Then you have the labor market for skilled labor. California is competing against New York, Mass., etc. in that market. Those states know that workers who have a choice will choose to work in states where the state protects their rights. And the states know that if they harm workers for the benefit of corporations then the skilled workers (who, unlike the unskilled workers in the poor states, can easily relocate), will simply leave.

California knows that they benefit from being a place where skilled workers choose to locate. And they know that actions to harm contract workers for the benefit of a few inconsequential startups means that high-income skilled workers will leave the state. So they generally choose to defend workers at the expense of Uber, Lyft, etc.

Uber and Lyft can go fuck over workers in Mississippi,. And Mississippi will welcome it. And look how well that’s worked out for Mississippi.